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utri007 
Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 16:20:20
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There has been some effort to do native 68k netsurf, any news about that?

I really hope that it woun't require truetype fonts

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 16:58:25
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There are recent updates. Check Aminet.

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 17:19:31
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i think netsurf 68k is and remains sdl. sorry.

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utri007 
Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 17:47:52
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Bad, at least 3 indiviuals has said that they will try to port it to 68k, 2 with reaction gui and 1 with mui gui

I know at at lest 2 of them has actually did something

And of course, sdl port maker.

If they could cooperate, native 68k would have been ready for ages ago

I really don't understand, why not...

1. Netsurf has proven to work with low-spec machines
2. It would be happy thing to both UEA and real machine users
3. Workin browser for amiga os 3.9 ???? would it make you happy?

It is 100% fact that OWB/Firefox are not possible for real amigas

90% joke

Should be illegal to do SDL stuff for 68k ;)


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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 18:04:24
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I fear it would be too much work to do MUI (or) Reaction based NetSurf for OS3. SDL version works good on UAE - I understand there is little motivation to abandon SDL.

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
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i was looking at the sources, also on chris reaction version and also on mos, but it is a major thing to do certainly beyond my abilities. and i cant stare at the small characters for so long anymore.
of course if anybody would pick up the challenge except of artur it would be great. but at this point i think the best way is to wait and help developing and debugging aros68k and then improve zune as far as possible and in the end get fabiens owb working on aros, in particular aros68k.

this seems to be a long way to take, but i dont see a realistic alternative.

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 18:33:37
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I fear it would be too much work to do MUI (or) Reaction based NetSurf for OS3.


Actually it's relatively easy. If you start with the OS4 frontend, you should be able to get it working on OS3.9 with Reaction fairly quickly. There are a few things that need backporting (I have used a lot of new OS4 calls, but most have OS3 equivalents). A couple of major changes:
fonts code - probably needs to be rewritten to use ttengine.library (I already have a ttengine.library version of this code somewhere, needs updating and fixing though)
plotters - need to be rewritten to work on 8-bit screenmodes (this needs doing for OS4 too).

I wrote a little more detailed list of changes required on the dev mailing list, if you want to seek that out.

Even starting from scratch, new (basic) frontends have been written in a matter of weeks.

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SDL version works good on UAE - I understand there is little motivation to abandon SDL.


It would be a faster and better browser with a native interface. The existing port is a modified version of the "framebuffer" frontend, which is more a tech demonstration/debug interface than a real web browser. UAE shouldn't be the benchmark; this thing ought to run on an '030 with AGA if done properly.

Also - there is now an Atari port, so not having an Amiga 68k one makes us look bad against our old enemies

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 18:37:28
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I really don't understand, why not...

1. Netsurf has proven to work with low-spec machines
2. It would be happy thing to both UEA and real machine users
3. Workin browser for amiga os 3.9 ???? would it make you happy?


I don't understand it either...

Oh, and to answer your original question about TrueType fonts, the OS4 version uses the "bullet" interface and is happy with any kind of outline fonts (eg. Intellifonts).

It is possible to get it to work with bitmap fonts, but you'll lose UTF-8 text and it probably wouldn't look good due to the arbitrary sizes used on web pages.

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 18:48:25
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So Chris, you have done some work already, what kind of help you need?? wawa has allso some coding abilities? Could you work together?

It might be better to ask help from amiga.org because there are more 68k coders than here.

PS. About fonts, I just don't wanna install AFA OS to my real amiga again... I get too much troubles with it


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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
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@utri007

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PS. About fonts, I just don't wanna install AFA OS to my real amiga again... I get too much troubles with it


I use NetSurf 68k without AFA OS and fonts doesn´t look bad.

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utri007 
Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 19:09:25
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I know, SDL port is ALMOST usable, but I get too much compatibility problems (with other programs) with AFA Os installed and speed is still too low.

In a matter of fact, I don't know any SDL program that would be enjoyable experience with real amiga.

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Chris_Y 
Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 5-Mar-2011 19:53:34
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So Chris, you have done some work already,


I wrote and maintain the OS4 port (frontend), I haven't done any work on a 68k/OS3 version beyond what "just works".

John-Mark built an AmigaOS 68k toolchain for the autobuilder on the NetSurf website, and a few compatiblity headers came out of that.

What needs doing needs somebody who is motivated to get it working on OS3. I don't have anything set up here to compile 68k code through gcc, and I'm not personally that interested in getting it working as I would never use it.

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what kind of help you need?? wawa has allso some coding abilities? Could you work together?


It needs somebody who knows C and OS3.9. I'm happy to offer help and pointers, but I'm not interested in back-porting it myself.

Of course I'll make an effort not to break OS3 compatiblity when I add and change things, but it needs somebody there to check and recompile after updates. Having somebody working on improvements after porting would really help me too.

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It might be better to ask help from amiga.org because there are more 68k coders than here.


Yeah, somebody on amiga.org was going to have a look at it a while back, but I heard nothing since.

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PS. About fonts, I just don't wanna install AFA OS to my real amiga again... I get too much troubles with it


You shouldn't need AfA_OS. The current code uses the Bullet API through new diskfont calls. It should be possible to do the same on OS3 with the old troublesome API or (easier) use ttengine.library.

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 6-Mar-2011 1:27:08
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It would be interesting and very good if it came out a version for 68k with native video mode.

viewing the Netsurf page, I saw that there is a version for Atari! .. That's great

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 7-Jun-2013 1:48:48
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NetSurf AGA BETA

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 23:21:17
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Does development continues? How it will behave on real 030/50 32mb + fpu?

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Re: Native 68k Netsurf
Posted on 30-Jun-2013 0:08:44
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Does development continues? How it will behave on real 030/50 32mb + fpu?



Hiya,

This isn't my project, you can read all about it on this EAB Thread

I don't think it will ever be usable on an 030, sorry

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