Hi Guys,
I was asking my self this question.
I remember PFS to be a very good filesystem but is it still good for 2009?

and how does it compare to SFS?

I would like to talk about it in this thread.


so tell me your expierience with it...

Last edited by zErec on 04-Nov-2009 at 11:37 AM.

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@zErec

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I remember PFS to be a very good filesystem but is it still good for 2009? and how does it compare to SFS?

SFS is better and still supported I can't speak for AOS4 in general but on every Amigaoid system I know SFS is recommended for HDs ...

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@Arko

Use a more modern filesystem that is updated rather then an old filesystem you dont know what could happen.

im using PFS 3.3 here with a CF card. it has problems formatting disk larger than 4GB under OS4.0 classic,did not have this problem under OS3.9. but i use it as standard in my system.

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@zErec
On OS3 I used to be a PFS fanatic, but I changed to SFS (before switching to OS4), and found it to be a good replacement. As SFS is OS4 native & PFS is not, I strongly suggest using SFS. Plus SFS seems to have less bugs than PFS.

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@zErec

I get a lot of people asking this. Well fans of PFS who plan in running OS4.

The answer is it's not an native OS4 filesystem and I wouldn't touch it.

I help a friend set up dial up on his A1 yesterday. He was having problems with Roadshow and it is buggy as the dialer crashed as soon as it dialed in. And this was after the fourth time of setting it up and dialing attempts. Not good! The end result is he wanted to use Miami. He even tried it but it kept complaining another TCP/IP stack was running. Gee which one? Then he asked about sharing internet and here I think OS4 does fallover as AFAIK it still can't do this out of the box. We've gone from MiamiDx down a few notches to editing Linux scripts trying to get it to work. I gave up trying a few years back.

I don't mean this as an insult, but some people live in the past. Some people want to drag all the OS3 stuff onto OS4. Well they want to get that old Amiga setup again. Fair enough, OS3 had useful tools. Is there a ToolsDaemon for OS4?

Sorry, OT.

@zErec

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Is the filesystem PFS 3.3 a good choice for OS4.1?

Clear answer: no, it is not.

The reason is it is 68k and it does not support NSD.

PFS3 can be used with OS 4.0 on classic Amigas if you want to keep your old partitions and don't want to convert everything to another file system. A bit efford is needed to get partitions outside the first 4GB to work, thought, because PFS3 does not support NSD and OS4 does not support TD64. But there is a TD64 patch on Aminet which makes it work.

For OS 4.1 (which does not run on classic Amigas) you should drop PFS and go forward to the new PPC-native file systems. FFS2 is not that bad, SFS and SFS2 seem to be quite stable and the new JXFS might be worth a try, too.

On 68k PFS is still superior to SFS, but for OS4 focus should be on native implementations.

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OS4 does not support TD64. But there is a TD64 patch on Aminet which makes it work.

Well on my system TD64 works! When I mount my Linux partitions using EXT2Filesystem I can now do it from a DOSDriver without any TD64 hacks.

I don't recall updating it but now it just works. Must check the readme.

@rigo
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A PPC machine with no 68K cannot boot from a 68K filesystem.

I know this is off topic, but just for the record: MorphOS *CAN* boot from a PFS partition. Obviously, you need an FFS/SFS/HFS/ext2/FAT/whatever partition supported by the actual OF, to load the boot.img, but as soon as boot.img started, MorphOS will process the drivers from RDB, hence load & run 68k PFS without glitches. I know at least 3 people using PFS as their primary FS with MorphOS (which means SYS: is a PFS partition on their system).

So *technically* it could be done. If it's worth the effort, or if it's good idea to use PFS on a PowerPC machine, that's another question.

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@Hypex

ToolsDaemon doesn't work since OS3.5, to use it from OS3.5+, 4.x included you hate to use a patch on program which is on aminet. In any case I suggest you to use T.H.E., which shows you how you can add new menus and shortcut to workbench without any kind of patch, but using only Workbench ARexx port...

@Chain-Q

I will refer you to the topic of this thread.

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Well on my system TD64 works!

4.0 on classic Amiga ?

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@zErec

Of course PFS3 isn't any good for OS4, it was no bl**dy good for OS3.x if you had a 4000, it trashed every partition I tried it on within a few days, but lots of 1200 users had no problems with it.

@Hypex

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Then he asked about sharing internet and here I think OS4 does fallover as AFAIK it still can't do this out of the box.

Of course it can, I used internet sharing 'out of the box' with betas before the first release of OS4 way back in 2004. I had my A4000 on dial-up with miamidx and my XE connected to it via an x-surf II card.

BTW. to remove the 'other tcp/ip stack' comment out the addnetinterface line in the startup-sequence

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@Severin

Its obvious OS 3.x was able to become extreme new OS with all those patches and glictches, easpecially if one remembers original OS 3.0/OS 3.1 setup ...

Even Amikit, AmiSYS, AmigaForever ... testify that
using 68k code

But thats the end folks. 68k switched off.
"Amiga goes PPC" finally offers beyond that limit.

Things working out of box,should become tradition again I hope

More PPC native file systems.
Official OS 4 PFS and Hyperion support (as described in MOS case

E-UAE and MOS/OS4 application compatibility layer would be nice ... Amigans - hackers proved it works to some extent and we need all 68k and PPC software there is Why not exchanging licence and having some revenue on both sides (even if both OS`s cost 10 euros more!)

Even more - having more native GUI`s, file system supports (NTFS? hello ...)
68k CPU emulators ... would be nice thing to see

Even if only one OS is official

And yes, Tools Deamon features included in OS4

Latest OWB and at least one more PPC native browser ...

Some of the contribs preinstalled. Author already agreed to contribute the OS

Also, I would vote for Dopus Magellan WB replacement as seen in Amikit
but with official bounty (why no bounties and news on PPC Dopus Magellan?

Why not OS4 optimized AmigaAmp included?

Demo of Page Stream and couple more PPC native bones and games?

There are still old and new ways

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@zErec

I used PFS3 on my A1200 for years and never had any problems with it. But for OS4 it is said to be troublesome, not to mention 68k and emulated, as others have stated!

Go SFS and be happy. SFS is also still developed with many bug fixes and stuff. There is no reason for PFS on OS4 since SFS works pretty much the same way.

@others

There was a new ToolsDaemon for OS3.9 that worked fine. I think I still use the same on OS4 to this day. And no, it's not a hack, it is rewritten to use the arexx port of Workbench.

So no need to mess with arexx scripts, just get the updated ToolsDaemon.

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You can not boot from 68k/PPC filesystem directly (at least the ROM image must be loaded from an internally supported fs) but you can still install filesystem to RDB of course.

If you have legal copy of PFS I would not ditch it because it is more reliable than SFS.

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@all

Opinions here have ranged from PFS being unreliable and corrupting data through to it being more reliable than SFS. So which is it? SFS on my system has been rock stable, so if PFS is allegedly more reliable than SFS, then it can't be trashing partitions.

There is one feature in PFS that I wish that we had in the new filesystems: multi-user support. Yes I know, it can easily be circumvented due to lack of full memory protection, blah blah blah; but it would still be nice to have that functionality.

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If you have legal copy of PFS I would not ditch it because it is more reliable than SFS.

Is there any other kind of copy you should have???

More reliable than SFS on OS4.1??? You did read the topic?
You must be refering to PFS on a classic rather than on PPC Amigas?

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@Samwel

SFS is fairly good and it is good alternative to PFS but SFS performance and reliability degrades over time. PFS is proven to be reliable and robust but SFS has got robustness only during last years. When it comes to PFS I dont remember anyone had any serious problems with it.

Problem with PFS on OS4 is of course that OS4 uses NSD standard when PFS supports TD64 standard but there is no reason why PFS would be less robust on PPC than on 68k.

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