@OlafS25

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You are definitely "number1"

glaube kaum, mich kennen hier alle schon zu gut, oder?

sorry:

guess not, im already too known around here, aint i?

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@number6

ROFL He who shall not be named # 6" >.<

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@wawa

I meant troll "number1". It would be a great title

Oh I just remembered that is reserved for Franko

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@all
The meeting last night?

I was there and Roberto answered my questions in a responsible and
honest way. I did not read any 'promises' from him, but only what he
and his team will attempt to accomplish.

As for trademarks, logos, and all that legal type stuff,,, I'll leave that
to the lawyers and courts. If anybody can bung it up....... well, you know.

So to Roberto & company at this time I say and may we become
more than the sum of our individual parts.

This and this and this are just fine.

As long as it ends in this and

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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @wawa You are definitely "number1"

No, that would be oui-oui....

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@Bugala

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Amiga names legality

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b. Once again, licensing have been done to Amiga OS 4 (although another possiblity is that it belongs to hyperion nowadays).

This is exactly argument of Amiga.Inc in its legal dispute with Cloanto.


@RobertJDohnert

It seems you want to steal Amiga trademark from Amiga.Inc. I hope you will change your mind in this regard.

Wait, there is official confirmation that Amiga branding license costs 600 USD / month + 5% of annual turnover or it was just a fictional number?

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@Cool_amigaN

according to roberto (link):

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I got contacted by Amiga Inc today and was told that they didnt want to be involved or the brand to be involved in the Linux community anymore. That CommodoreUSA was their only and last licensee that they permitted to do that. But in case anyones interested it costs $600.00 plus a 5% royalty a year for a brand license.

-- eliyahu

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Ok, so we are getting a little distracted from productivity here. So lets break it down.

1. We filed for the trademark "Amiga OpenLinux" and "Amiga Enterprise Linux". not the word Amiga. These are unique in their own way, and we will pursue them and any opposition to the USPTO in regards to my obtaing my trademarks will be handled accordingly, through my lawyers. I do not get into fist fights on forums. Im an engineer, not a lawyer. Thats what lawyers get paid to do and thats to practice law. Now sometimes you can be right and the courts can do the wrong thing so thats why we are letting the lawyers handle it. I pay them. They advise me, I do what needs to be done in the best interest of myself, my employees, my company and my users.

2. My job is to make great products and to expand the avenue for which people can get my products. Thats hardware sales, resell through vendors etc. I will have software to make life easier for Amigans and AROS helps with that. Not being an "Amiga" licensee I can preinstall AROS on any of the hardware I sell and its open source and I can do what I want. If I want to write a screen blanker for AROS then I can, if I want to port over the broadcom firmware cutter from Linux to AROS, I can do it. My choice, my free time and yes, I will market that feature for Amiga users.

4. Why did we pull down the post? on the advice of our lawyers. Does this mean we are defeated? Nope. When our trademarks clear and they will clear and all opposition has been dealt with, I will go forward with the name change. I didnt spend the money registering them for nothing.

Now, OS4 OpenLinux 13.5 32 bit has been ironed out and all bugs squashed we are going to go back to work on creating and delivering great products to users, we are going to go to work on OS4 PowerLinux. Let the lawyers do their job, let the engineers do their jobs and eventually somewhere down the line everything works out. I will continue to post product developments here that pertain to the Amiga Community.

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@RobertJDohnert
-removed- because we can celebrate it later with a big bang ; )

Again just out of curiosity. Peace and harmony.

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@all

Please forgive me for posting this after just quickly glancing at the opening post, but it was many days that I wanted to say something (in the other thread), and never had the possibility to.

To me, what Roberto showed in the other thread with striking clarity is that he is one of those persons to avoid doing business with, and the simple reason is that his behaviour is totally unprofessional and foolish business-wise. Why? Just look at the big picture: he hears that Amiga still has a community, thanks for the continued pokes he gets he realizes that there's potential in the Amiga and the community, introduces himself here and in a few days span publically (on his official site, I mean) posts, removes, reposts and modifies a business plan involving the Amiga name, the boing ball logo and hot air about helping the community. All without having a clue regarding the Amiga technologies, what the community is and what the community wants (with this, I don't mean to say that the community wants a precise thing - don't read anything into this other than what the words exactly say).
Quite simply, that's not the way one makes business. Business plans must be carefully thought through after gathering as much information as possible, and then must be made public only when they are set in stone to the best of the possibilities.
And no, as I told him directly in my only two previous posts (that went unanswered), I don't believe for a second that he is spurred by a kind soul of by (sigh) his love for the Amiga or the community.
With such premises, I personally think it's a waste of time speculating about all the rest.

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4. Why did we pull down the post? on the advice of our lawyers.


"Our lawyers". Now we're bordering children's "pretend games".
Ah, Internet, Internet..

@RobertJDohnert

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1. We filed for the trademark "Amiga OpenLinux" and "Amiga Enterprise Linux". not the word Amiga.

Calling operating system Amiga without blessing of Amiga.Inc will not only make angry Amiga.Inc, but also Hyperion and its partners (A-Eon, ACube). Forget about any possible cooperation, even in future.

@RobertJDohnert

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1. We filed for the trademark "Amiga OpenLinux" and "Amiga Enterprise Linux". not the word Amiga.

While at it, why not register "Microsoft OpenLinux" and "Apple Enterprise Linux", after all, they are neither just the words Microsoft and Apple.


Amiga Anywhere and Amiga OS, if law really lets you add to that list "Amiga OpenLinux", then I have to start considering making my own "Apple Enterprise Linux" and start selling it for 99 USD. Naturally with blue apple logo.

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@eliyahu

From the iRC chat:

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"OpenLinux" was a distribution from (IIRC) Caldera

He remembers correctly! Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 was the first major Linux distribution to ship with KDE 1.0, and the first that I used on a regular basis. This was autumn 1998, many years before Caldera became The Evil One in the Linux community.

It makes me a bit nostalgic. Linux nostalgia is a lesser kind than Amiga nostalgia, but it's still pretty good. :)

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@RobertJDohnert

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I will have software to make life easier for Amigans and AROS helps with that. Not being an "Amiga" licensee I can preinstall AROS on any of the hardware I sell and its open source and I can do what I want. If I want to write a screen blanker for AROS then I can, if I want to port over the broadcom firmware cutter from Linux to AROS, I can do it. My choice, my free time and yes, I will market that feature for Amiga users.

well, why not, im not in any way aros representative, only a genuine amiga user interested in it, but i guess you are free to do that.

I have to kind of admire Robert's strait forward as well as cordial approach to things. I can't say I understand the need to tie ones linux distro to such a troubled wagon as Amiga though. Except for the bit of free publicity it might bring, trouble generally follows. It's amusing in a kind of "sticking to the man" kind of way to try and register Amiga related names. The profit side of it kind of escapes me though.

Plaz

@Plaz

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The profit side of it kind of escapes me though.

Kinda escapes everyone... that's the main problem.

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@Plaz

I did wonder if he is just trying to provoke a court case in the hope that it may bring some publicity. Who knows.

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