Is there an application for AMiga OS 4.1 that allows me to RIP a movie from DVD so I can watch it instead streaming off my hard drive. Less whir from the DVD player would be nice.

Is there a format special for Amiga OS that I am converting it to so DVplayer or MPlayer plays it?

Or does it just make an exact full size copy of the DVD and these players see it that way as a DVD even though it is on a hard drive?

tj

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You can try to save your DVD content as an iso file on your hard disk, and mount it with DiskImageGui later. Your soft will see it like a disk. But It will take a lot of space on your HD (4.7 or 9.6 GB)

On OS4depot, there is a port of ffmpeg with it's gui for video conversion. But I don't know if you can rip a protected DVD.

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You should also take a look at this :
http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=video/misc/peevobill.lha

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@petrol

peevobill (available on OS4) can copy encrypted commercial DVDs to your hard drive. It doesn't seem to work with all drives, though. The first DVD Player I had with my A1 would crash when I tried to copy an encrypted disc, but the LG drive I have now works fine. I contacted the author of peevobill to discuss the problem with my original drive, and he seemed to think it was "too new", although I had other problems with it which makes me think it just didn't work very well (and was why I replaced it with the LG).

You can use FFMpeg to re-encode it using a smaller, more efficient codec and/or container, or leave it in its native format. When you run DVPlayer, select the .vob files to play the videos.

Note that a single movie will be split across multiple .vob files. You can use the standard AmigaDOS join command to join the two .vobs into one file, which DVPlayer can play fine.

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I have a ripper on my Mac but just trying to do all I can on the Amiga side to learn the whole Amiga OS world.

Is there a particular format best to RIP a DVD to if I have to use my Mac so it can be run on the Amiga.

I would like the image to be smaller so it does not take up that much space.

TJ

@amigasociety

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Is there a particular format best to RIP a DVD to if I have to use my Mac so it can be run on the Amiga.

Native format of .vob files is mpeg, and mpeg2. So converting t hat would be quicker (copy option). These can be then played with DvPlayer on your Amiga, but you would have to join the files.

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I would like the image to be smaller so it does not take up that much space.

If you rip it to .avi on your mac, again DvPlayer (registered) can play avi files without problems.
If you are worried about files sizes, and Amiga compatibility. Rip your dvd to various formats, and resolutions, and see which is best for your Amiga setup.

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The problem arises when you have a DVD with many chapters.
You won't get just the chapter you want if you join .vob files.
A small chapter is only going to be a tiny portion of the larger .vob file.

There is a command to rip just individual chapters in mencoder, and write them out as .avi or whatever, but my mind can't grasp the command line. Is that command integrated into the ffmpeg GUI by any chance?

This can be a tad intimidating, no?

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-dvd-mpeg4.html

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You could try this...

http://aminet.net/search?query=ADVDutils

A collection of CLI/Shell utils I wrote some time back to burn & rip DVD's on my A1200's, their easy enough to use but I haven't tested them on OS4 so can't say if they'll work or not...

They work fine on my A1200's with OS 3.1 to 3.9 and kickstart 3.0 or 3.1 roms but like I say I've never actually tested them under OS4 (Hmmm... now I think about maybe I should)...

PS: The ripping util will rip everything as a single ISO file and not as individual files (like. vob etc...) and so can be burned once ripped using your Amiga or any computer easily...

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You can also use the readcd command from http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/dvdrtools-68k
with this syntax:

readcd dev=0,1,0 f=DH0:dvd.iso

where the 1 is your cd drive unit number, on my A1 it matches the primary slave IDE port (2 would be the secondary master).

then you can mount the dvd.iso with DiskImage and play it like the original DVD from either DVPlayer or MPlayer.

If the DVD isn't encrypted you could just copy all the .VOB files on it, that way you don't have to worry about using a filesystem which can handle 64bit files.

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@number6

But a basic command to rip a DVD can be as simple as:

mencoder dvd:// -oac copy -ovc copy -o blah.vob

It also deals with crypted content, and it can of course be enhanced with some possible format options, per chapter, and so on, the possibilities are endless.

@AlexC

MPlayer is able to play the iso directly without the need for mounting, btw.

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@Fab

The power is there for sure.

What I would like to see is the chapter graphics show up on the computer program GUI, just like they do under playback with standalone DVD player.
Then an intuitive click on the picture representing that chapter to convert the chapter to a standard codec. Done.

I suppose I'm trying to look at this from a new user standpoint. Ease of use.

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If you use the Mac to encode, for the X1000 you can use the H.264 codec for DVD video... encoding to that (libx264) on AmigaOS is almost fully broken.

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@amigasociety

If you have multiple vob files from the same source DVD that you wish join from a VIDEO_TS folder on a harddrive you can

ffmpeg -i "concat:VTS_01_1.VOB|VTS_01_2.VOB|VTS_01_3.VOB|VTS_01_4.VOB|VTS_01_5.VOB" -sameq -target pal-dvd output.mpeg

You might need to remux it afterwards.

-Edit-

Forgot to say as you on the X1000 too you can use the altivec ffmpeg

to create it grab http://www.os4depot.net/share/video/convert/ffmpeg.lha

copy ffmpeg, ffmpeg-altivec.xdelta3 and xdelta3-decoder to ram:

then cd to ram: create the altivec version then set the +e protection bit.


9.RAM Disk:> xdelta3-decoder ffmpeg-altivec.xdelta3

xdelta3: using default output filename: ffmpeg-altivec
xdelta3: using default source filename: ffmpeg

9.RAM Disk:> protect ffmpeg-altivec +e

9.RAM Disk:> list ffmpeg-altivec

ffmpeg-altivec 15320104 ----rwed Today 09:50:40
1 file - 14M bytes - 480 blocks used
9.RAM Disk:> ffmpeg-altivec
ffmpeg version 0.8.2, Copyright (c) 2000-2011 the FFmpeg developers
built on Aug 27 2011 05:17:24 with gcc 4.2.4 (adtools build 20090118)
configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --enable-nonfree --enable-postproc --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libfaac --enable-libfreetype --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libnut --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-librtmp --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid --target-os=gnu
libavutil 51. 9. 1 / 51. 9. 1
libavcodec 53. 7. 0 / 53. 7. 0
libavformat 53. 4. 0 / 53. 4. 0
libavdevice 53. 1. 1 / 53. 1. 1
libavfilter 2. 23. 0 / 2. 23. 0
libswscale 2. 0. 0 / 2. 0. 0
libpostproc 51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
Hyper fast Audio and Video encoder
usage: ffmpeg [options] [[infile options] -i infile]... {[outfile options] outfile}...

Use -h to get full help or, even better, run 'man ffmpeg'

-Edit 2-

The speed increase using the altivec version over the generic ppc is excellent.

A ~1h:20mins movie took ~2h15mins

With Altivec

~50 Mins

What i use it for is movies / tvshows I have recorded onto the harddrive of my satellite box (SkyHD) then I copy them out to the hardrive on my DVD Recorder. Connected via a scart lead.
Then on the DVD recorder I can edit out any commercials etc then burn to DVD.
Then on the X1000 I convert them and upload to my NAS server.

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@number6

Actually, you make a VERY fair point regarding usability.

Unfortunately, it's not the APPLICATIONS that aren't usable, it's the DVD format itself. It's MADE to be crippled by DVD mastering software.

Reason number one given by bluray commercials on DVDs for why I should upgrade to bluray: Better menu system. Well, duh. Considering half the buttons on my remote control has been DISABLED by the people who made the DVD I'm currently trying to watch then it can't get a whole lot WORSE, can it?

If they didn't regard playing the discs you bought fair and square on non-sanctioned players a crime, maybe we would be getting somewhere.

But no, they would rather sell you a finished rip which has proper copy-protection (I bought one last week that came with a "digital copy", sort of funny way to describe it as the original is digital, but anyway).

Since playing your DVDs on an Amiga effectively constitutes a breach of copyright (as you have to break the encryption with non-licensed software) then I wouldn't hold my breath for any help from the people who make the DVDs either...

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@amigasociety

While this has probably been covered else where.

this is useful for creating avi's from DVD's

ffmpeg-altivec -i "concat:VTS_01_1.VOB|VTS_01_2.VOB|VTS_01_3.VOB|VTS_01_4.VOB" -vcodec mpeg4 -s 720x480 -b 2000k -acodec ac3 -ar 44100 -ab 128k -f avi output.avi

The DVD was 4:3 NTSC 720x480 and ffmpeg defaults to 4:3 when encoding so if the original DVD had been widescreen 16:9 you would need to change it to -s 720x480 -aspect 16:9.

You can then play around with resolutions (-s) -(b) (-ar) (-ab) bitrates to keep the final filesize down. or to drop the framerate from 25fps to 15fps use -r 15

Have fun. As you can probably tell I really like ffmpeg.

Edit - one last tip.

Also say you record something off TV and you leave the DVD recorder running and it has 30mins of something you didn't want at the end of the DISC, when you encode it you can specify the start

-s 00:00:00.0

and finish

-t 01:30:00.0

and ffmpeg will just encode the first hour and a half for you.

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I don't think any of the above cover what the new user is seeking.

In short, is there a program* to rip dvds**?

*Program in 2012 needs to have a UI.

** "Rip dvd", 99,99% of the people, more than 15 years mean the following: A commercial movie dvd, inserted in a dvd-rom, its content stored on user's HD then recoded and compressed)

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Well it does and as you dont need to copy the VOB files to your harddrive first to rip it as an mpeg or avi

if the DVD is not encrypted then you can CD CD0:VIDEO_TS and then do ffmpeg.
Or you can use ffmpeggui on os4depot

I agree though an all in one app like DVD-Shrink or DVD-Decrypt would be cool though.

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If they didn't regard playing the discs you bought fair and square on non-sanctioned players a crime, maybe we would be getting somewhere.

True, but I'm speaking of DVDs that are user created.

Example:dumping older format material like hi-8 through firewire to a DVD recorder.

If you "chapter" your recordings, (which are just start/end points along with an image of that chapter added by the recorder after the DVD is made, but not finalized) you would have a lot of short files -within- the vob files. Worse yet, you will likely have a chapter that crosses a vob boundary, starting in one vob and ending in another.

I don't see why (much like A/V editing software) there could not be a program and GUI that handles the start and end points of each chapter and merely shows an image of the chapter, much like a standard DVD does with say 4 vob files.
Hence my example above of clicking on a picture and simply having the program write that file to perhaps a choice of standard A/V file formats. MPlayer docs indicates working with chapters exists. I just don't find it intuitive.

Perhaps it's just me, but as I understand it there are -still- many businesses doing format transfers of personally recorded material to DVD and charging real money for that service. Again, I'm talking solely about user created material...non-copyrighted.

However, I understand your point about material we've purchased as well, and I agree.

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Everyone's writing good examples here and my comment won't perhaps be as helptfull but if you'd like to try ffmpeg or mencoder out google will once again be your friend (it often are). I'd search for "how to convert dvd to avi" and there would be suggestions from the Linux world and you'd probably find just as good answers here but I often find those answers to be better and without the "sorry if I mention this way to convert an encoded dvd" or whatever, they go straight to the point like "this is how you do it".

A very helpfull way.

Like already mentioned DVPlayer is excellent and worth every penny IMHO, at least on the A1 XE if you convert to one of the supported formats like AVI.

I converted something (FLV from youtube I think) in 720p to AVI using mencoder and played it with DVPlayer and it worked very well. Videoquality got a bit worse (still OK I think) and audio was just as good.

Anyway this is just some tips if you would like to dig deeper. Might seem like unhelpfull but to me google anwers for these kind of things using software from the Linux world will give lots of helpfull and easy to use answers (most of the times). As an alternative. Good luck!

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Fab wrote: @number6 But a basic command to rip a DVD can be as simple as: mencoder dvd:// -oac copy -ovc copy -o blah.vob It also deals with crypted content, and it can of course be enhanced with some possible format options, per chapter, and so on, the possibilities are endless.

nice!, but can you copy and encode to lets say avi on the fly?

always envied windows users for theyre DVD ripping and compression tools etc, tried messing around with ffmpeg and others without much luck, shell /cli commands in the long run can be rather annoying ..especially with such complex tools as ffmpeg/mencoder/dvdtools etc...

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