@Kronos
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Depending on how "MorphOS4.0" will actually be implemented (and on what HW) I can see a slight possibilty of it going 10k users. Does that bother me ? Look above.

I think that is much more naive than this thread...

Even AROS would have more chance in reaching such a userbase, but yet that will never happen as it just aint possible unless some miracle happens.

@Tomas

*shrug*

There were plenty obscure OSes who reached that numbers of users in the past so it's surely not impossible.

What the conditions are for MorphOS to reach that goal is hard to tell and evenmore if it would still be as "cool" as it's today.

But calling my naive (in an optimstic way), that must be a 1st !!

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@Kronos
I can only think of one real example and that was linux, which was a long time ago.. Today there are so many oses around, so i highly doubt we could attract enough users and devs with a unknown commercial OS with no killer software or games.

It could only be done if it was backed by some multi billion company.

I hope I am wrong though.

@djrikki

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djrikki wrote: @Kronos So basically you are posting for no other reason than to flame - gotcha.

I don't think sprerading false hopes again and again is very nice to people.

False hopes are lies too, maybe the biggest trolls in Amiga forums are the false prophets.

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@Gebrochen

You want something positive - well, here's a few bananas

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@Gebrochen

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Was Real3d Announced by the actual creators whon are now known as realsoft 3d???

Believe that Hyperion was announced as porting company, it was the Eyetech days.
Amiga Inc website of that time. It`s not easy to find traces of it.

Like at Intuition base forthcoming OS4 software. Supposed to be Real3D v4.0
or here in comments at OS4 news

Real3D Version 4, a critically acclaimed and highly advanced 3D modelling and rendering package is still in development for AmigaOne. http://www.hyperion-software.com

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Realsoft memory refresh for me/myself/I etc...

original press release is not available (http://www.realsoft.fi/news/hyprg_pressrel.html)

News item is here: http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=0976552871&category=news&number=31

Cologne, December 9, 2000!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Ben Hermans
> Sent: 29 January 2002 13:09
> To: Kannala Kimmo ...
>
> Hi,
>
> >I'm a Amiga hobbyist and the recent news at ANN triggered me
> to ask these >extra questions, I would appreciate it a lot if
> you can find the time to >answer these.
>
> Time ... The eternal problem.
>
> >1) How is the Realsoft3D porting proceeding? Is it on hold?
> How complete >it is in %?
>
> Realsoft is being worked on again. We did have to put it on
> hold for a while due to other projects taking precedence.
>
.....long cut ...
> >And if you had the time to answer, are the anwers free to be
> published to >the rest of the Amiga community?
>
> I doubt there is anything new here.
>
> best regards,
> --
> Ben Hermans
> Managing partner Hyperion Entertainment

Did not find the end of the story yet...

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People! Let's not forget that Amiga is doomed.

PS: Please don't post a link to that obvious video. Whenever I listen to that, I can't get it off my mind for months.

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@vox

I had contact to the company and asked if support in future is possible and they said no (and that was for the 68k version where they could use their source). To hope they would port it to MorphOS or AmigaOS with only (propably) not more than 1000 Users each is really a bit too optimistic (whatever is written on Intuition base or others).

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@KimmoK

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Did not find the end of the story yet...

So you got update from Ben 9 years ago, how about another now?

@Zylesea

Hey dont laugh, due to the Queensland floods, bannans were hard to come by here in Australia for a while and you had to be rich to get a dozen bananas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahaha

Cheers mate

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@Ancalimon

Something that is doomed is no longer in use,

Something that is doomed is no longer being made, looked upon yet alone no advancements

Something that is doomed would not be getting developers continuing their efforts

Something that is doomed would no longer require the attention of.............

Basically, we are not going to a museum yet to look at everything Amiga related, so at the moment its not doomed aka dead, its simply either slowly dying or slowly growing then dying, or simply only slowly growing.................

We do not know what the future holds, one thing is clear, even if there is only a niche using something, if its enough of a niche for further development to happen, then it is not doomed, but rather slowly progressing.

So that would mean your doomed statement is not quiet ready yet for the Amiga related markets as yet, not until there is no growth and only decline!

Cheers

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@Gebrochen

When you get post's this these from supporters what one should think....

If you have to even suggest to con potential future partners you are really fu*ked. IT is quite small pond where word spreads quite quickly. If anything that post managed to do is not to touch OS4 with 10 feet pole. Google search is first thing that sane investor would first to do.

@Gebrochen

Something that is doomed has not failed ...... YET
Something that is doomed is not dead...... YET

And so on.


And there I was thinking some sort of english was the native language in the land were people have to be glued to the ground in order not to fall of the planet......

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My dream has always been to fire up OS4.x fast and surf the net properly and open eg. DeluxePaintNG or even the last version and stick the Color LaserJet and print and use Magellan,SoundTracker/Octalyzer,FW etc. for my old work with allready knowing how to use the programs. Games like PayBack,AB3DII.. and others for max speed +other hundred apps learned to use and actually knowing what the machine does.

New versions and new apps too would make many come back then to use in parallel with a pc.

Then in time throw the Windowse back where it belongs,

Only the A1XE is broken/falky now and reached mid-usable netting experience back in 2004 for a few years and nearly non compatible with OS3 stuff. The A1200-PIV-060 etc. is just too expanded shacking/flaky wire up now and slow too for this.

Waiting for something to fill this gap and maybe many others too.

@PR

I think that new special apps and games from commercial developers and companies (that have to earn money by it) will stay a dream (except there would be a big company investing big money to pay the ports). More realistic (in my view) is that the authors can use their existing source-code and adapt it. That could be the case for Natami. F.e. i have contact to the author of XiPaint who want to make a special (improved) version in future. Compilers have just to get new (extended) includes etc. . Hoping that commercial developers will make new versions for a niche platform (that mostly means to completely rewrite it) is not realistic except someone would pay the whole port (and take the risk).

I don't think we will see any companies (commercial) soon (or at all) coming out with commercial programs / games. I am talking about programs / games that would take at least months to develop with several people having to work on it. We have to rely on bedroom programmers to develop software for OS4. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The beauty of this is that you can actually be in direct contact with the programmer and get feedback across that is actually being taken seriously.

But there is a slight problem as well. It is always the same group of people developing and with once in a while a new one. It is really difficult for people that want to start programming for OS4 due to the lack of decent programming info. Most of my free time is being used finding out how certain stuff works. It is more like 8 hours of searching for 5 minutes of writing code. Having the info is one thing but it also needs to be explained in a understandable way. We might have the OS now but soon no one left to program for it. I know this issue has been debated to death by now but still. I do remember that Steven said there was going to be some developer wiki?

Coder

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@Coder

OS4 is not so much my interest. That request must be directed to Hyperion (mainly). Perhaps some of the programmers outside the core can share their experience. Of course documenting is never popular at programmers

Perhaps a place to collect sources... with descriptions and comments

Last edited by OlafS25 on 20-Nov-2011 at 12:07 PM.

@Coder

Just stumbled into your blog (ReAction ? *shudders*) and there you claim that one would have to set to libraries to NULL at start. While that might be a good idea, the explaination makes no sense.

If you set the pointer to the result of OpenLibrary() (or any other fuctions) it will hold that exact value regardless what was was in there before.

If that isn't true, there is something fundametally borked with the system.

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@Kronos

Just doing as I was taught.

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