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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:18:31
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KingKong wrote: Well, I have said enough - wise people will understand my idea.
Currently the german government is not very quick in doing what I want but mostly I wrote here about "Germany" and thus a privat funded solution is not ruled out. A good company maybe a pretty good start but in the long run I prefer a public or state-owned solution (a company can be bought and buggered).
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Germany subsidising AMD/GoFlo instead. Out of German fabs, you'll have AMD Bulldozer, Llano, Trinity and 'etc'.Last edited by Hammer on 21-Apr-2011 at 01:31 PM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:51:47
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The MorphOS project came from Phase V... after Phase V ended, former employees started up BPlan (eg, "Plan B"), who eventually merged with a couple folks from Thendic France to form Genesi.
Now, I do not have direct personal knowledge of all MorphOS sources. But back when Phase 5 was working on their "C Exec" and other things, starting to re-create AmigaOS themselves in the mid-1990s, I was working with Andy Finkel at Amiga Technologies. The Phase 5 guys were really after AT to use tome of their stuff (and pay them, natch). Andy did a code review of the C Kernel, and found it was copied from AmigaOS source code. In fact, even the comments were copied, assembler to C.
Maybe MorphOS is clean, maybe not. Maybe no one actually knows. But that's such a transgression, I wouldn't trust anyone involved in Phase 5, or any code that can be traced back to Phase 5. |
Maybe the truth is finally coming out of the door.
@itix If I've understood it correctly you came quite late to MorphOS. Can you swear for all ex-MoprhOS coders ?
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:57:01
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Thanks, wise and good comments from you.
@thread This thread have been mostly spamming from many individuals. ((Edit:) Before anyone asks I mean with spamming keeping repeating repeating repeating repeating repeating himself/herself from threads to threads and years to years.)
(Edit: Hopefully this post is more clear now.)
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 14:27:50
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:17:23
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:33:30
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This thread have been mostly spamming from many individuals. |
Please elaborate on this "spamming".
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:36:45
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Didn't Amiga Technologies (Petro Tschytschenko) send AmigaOS source code to random developers over the world? I recall Olaf Barthel received a copy (just like many others) even when he didnt ask one.
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AFAIK the source code that went to Phase5 is something that was leaked during the Commodore bankrupt. A lot of things disappeared from the offices: disks, tapes, rare prototypes. Some things where never seen again, some things where spread under close friends, some things are on EBay now.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:37:15
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if you take something out of the dustbin, would you call it stealing ?
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:41:02
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| we went terribly OT, so it's time for me to go further: i wish A-EON a good luck but i would say the name chosen for the board is a bit risky, cos it suggests a failure (Nemo = 'no-one', 'nobody'... Jules Verne's novels etc. etc.) on the other hand Natami rhymes with "Latami" in polish and "Latami" means 'years' as in "it took years (to be accomplished)" but also Natami rhymes with "Lata mi" = "i don't care" in polish slang = something not important , which has no value (e.g. as a productivity hardware) and then: SAM means "alone" in polish... then we have a beautiful MorphOS drug connection (dreams, sleeping, morphine) with MAC platform. MAC phonetically means a "poppy" in polish and a few (PPC!) poppy species are used as a source of drugs (e.g. heroine ("synthesized from morphine[sic!]", a derivative of the opium poppy" - thx wikipedia, and of course: opium) Then, to sum it up, we have a beautfiul AOS4-X1000-MorphOS connection (a quote from the wikipedia "Morpheus" article): 'Little Nemo[sic!] in Slumberland, a comic about a boy's surreal dreams, includes a supporting character named "King Morpheus"'. My god - what a bundle of symbols! (and i didn't say a word about AROS!!!...)
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:42:14
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nimrod7 wrote: we went terribly OT, so it's time for me to go further: i wish A-EON a good luck but i would say the name chosen for the board is a bit risky, cos it suggests a failure (Nemo = 'no-one', 'nobody'... Jules Verne's novels etc. etc.) on the other hand Natami rhymes with "Latami" in polish and "Latami" means 'years' as in "it took years (to be accomplished)" but also Natami rhymes with "Lata mi" = "i don't care" in polish slang = something not important , which has no value (e.g. as a productivity hardware)
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And A-Eon is a very long time period .... Last edited by Arko on 21-Apr-2011 at 03:42 PM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:43:41
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Tomppeli wrote: @DAX
Thanks, wise and good comments from you. This thread have been mostly spamming from many individuals.
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So you are asking DAX to "shut up" ?Last edited by Arko on 21-Apr-2011 at 03:46 PM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:44:36
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Arko wrote: And A-Eon is a very long time period .... |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:04:56
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AFAIK the source code that went to Phase5 is something that was leaked during the Commodore bankrupt.
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That is news to me. I was had impression that Petro Tyschtschenko of Amiga Technologies sent source code to phase5. Phase5 was not only company getting free source code from Amiga Technologies.
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I woudlnt if that dustbin was sent to me by Amiga CEO having a wish "do something with it".
And still it has nothing to do with MorphOS. It is just some grumpy PCB layout guy who designed some toy computers at Commodore.Last edited by itix on 21-Apr-2011 at 04:24 PM. Last edited by itix on 21-Apr-2011 at 04:18 PM.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:17:40
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If I've understood it correctly you came quite late to MorphOS. Can you swear for all ex-MoprhOS coders ?
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I can only speak for myself. I have never seen trace of AmigaOS source code there or any evidence such thing existed there.
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:31:13
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And still it has nothing to do with MorphOS. It is just some grumpy PCB layout guy who designed some toy computers at Commodore. |
Pretty pathetic. After all, you can't expect much from a guy with a Che avatar. |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:37:54
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i wish A-EON a good luck but i would say the name chosen for the board is a bit risky |
Risky name?
Other meaning of AEON from wiki are:-
The eternal world of ideas (Plato)
"Eternal life" comes from the word for life, zoe, and a form of aeon (Christianity)
The various emanations of God (Gnostic systems)
The beginning (Greek)
but ...................................................... perhaps it is just an anagram of A-One?
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:43:22
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Well, what's pathetic are rumours or false accusations thrown without any kind of evidence. |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:49:55
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but ...................................................... perhaps it is just an anagram of A-One? |
Eh, I prefer the Plato one. |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:50:02
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Damn right, this WHOLE situation is pretty pathetic. Grumpy PCB layout guys who designed some toy computers at Commodore on one side vs. grumpy OS coders/fanbots/whatever who waste their lives with a toy OS on the other. Pretty cool. Want some popcorn? |
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000 Posted on 21-Apr-2011 16:51:04
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AEON, EON (both geological terms) A-EON, A-ONE |
Too late to avoid the geological reference entirely. Heh.
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