@damocles

I actually tried a distro earlier this year. Can't recall its name. It was good just not all there yet in my opinion.

The question you have to ask yourself (or not - take it or leave it) is why do any of use use the computer systems we do? For many it is a matter of need (why I jumped to Macs) but for others it is a matter of affinity - they like using OS4 / MorphOS / AROS.

It is then only natural that they want the best for and from their systems - which then in this case is presented in the form of the X1000 and OS4.

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@KingKong

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Admittedly someone must convince Germany (or the EU) that AmigaOS can be a better choice than Linux and I can't do this because I don't know enough of these operating systems.

No, you got it wrong way around.

For someone to be able to claim AmigaOS being better than (f.ex.) Linux, he must know absolutely nothing about computers in general. (Or resort to lies.)

But then again, most of the computer-related decisions are done by people who don't know anything about them anyway, so maybe after all you are right, and there is a chance

@All
The idea of selected x86 motherboards or even custom made ones, came about earlier too, but looking at Apple, makes me think Amiga prices would be at least a tad worst than them, which would relegate Amiga in the ususal price range.
Powerful PPC processor will come from free scale AFTER the 50x0 series (please don't mention that one or earlier models anymore as they make no sense for a 2014/15 computer) and will be better priced because of the incoming competition Freescale will have to face from intel.
Thus if all goes well we will have an X2000 which will be better priced and more powerful (also better "utilized" thanks to the advancements that will mature on the X1000).

And that's all there is folks, AmigaOS is on PPC right here right now (we don't need to port it there) and I'd rather see Hyperion spend their development time in adding features to it instead of embarking in another paralizing "porting effort", we already had those moments, it's time to move ahead (SW wise).

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@Jupp3

Whatever. It's very simple:

1. It's obviously a good idea that Germany and the EU develop an own OS.

2. If there are some real capable Amiga freaks left, they better get their ass up and try to convince Germany to spend many millions in the development of AmigaOS.

3. Linux freaks and any other OS fanatics can do as well - may the OS with the best future (the OS which can be developted best to an ideal) win.

@DAX

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DAX wrote: AmigaOS is on PPC right here right now (we don't need to port it there) and I'd rather see Hyperion spend their development time in adding features to it instead of embarking in another paralizing "porting effort", we already had those moments, it's time to move ahead (SW wise).

+ Yup!

@Jupp3

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Jupp3 wrote: No, you got it wrong way around. For someone to be able to claim AmigaOS being better than (f.ex.) Linux, he must know absolutely nothing about computers in general. (Or resort to lies.)

I certainly would not like to see AmigaOS tied into any politics. Phoo-Yuk.

However, for my purposes - - - -

No, you got it wrong way around.

AmigaOS is better than (f.ex.) Linux. And that's because I do know something about the way
computers work in general and how I want mine to work in particular.

@Mechanic

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AmigaOS is better than (f.ex.) Linux. And that's because I do know something about the way computers work in general and how I want mine to work in particular.

And how do computers work? ;)

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@Rassilon

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I actually tried a distro earlier this year. Can't recall its name. It was good just not all there yet in my opinion.

There is the standard ISO build, and then there are two different distros for AROS so your mileage may very between those three ISOs on personal likes and dislikes.

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The question you have to ask yourself (or not - take it or leave it) is why do any of use use the computer systems we do? For many it is a matter of need (why I jumped to Macs) but for others it is a matter of affinity - they like using OS4 / MorphOS / AROS.

Whatever floats your boat is the one you should be using. My point is the idea that OS4 is, all by itself, the only one that can compete with major OSs is not viable on many levels. That's completely ignoring AROS (native or hosted) on x86/x86/_64/PPC/ARM Linux hosted and MOS on used Macs. IMO, any government would chose FOSS over closed sourced just to escape from being entangled in future IP law suits.

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It is then only natural that they want the best for and from their systems - which then in this case is presented in the form of the X1000 and OS4.

I'm all for OS4 staying PPC for all of eternity. I do wonder what would happen to the PPC fanboys if OS4 was ported to x86 with eventual stagnation and withering of PPC software development being a forgone conclusion. Not that I would want that to happen, of course.

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>1. It's obviously a good idea that Germany and the EU develop an own OS.

I don't think it will be a good idea, because Germany is no island, an OS only makes sense if you can use applications, an own OS would have no applications when started. Developing all the standard application ( Office packages, Data management systems, CAD, ... ) would cost more than developing the OS.

Oh, don't forget there are a lot of existing free and OpenSource OSes that are advanced compared with AmigaOS ( memory virtualisation, SMP, scaleabillity, support of more and better filesystems, support of massive paralell systems aka clustering, network support, user rights management, more than 2GB Ram, 64 bit addressspace, support of different hardware and CPU platforms, Unicode )

>2. If there are some real capable Amiga freaks left, they better get their ass up and
>try to convince Germany to spend many millions in the development of AmigaOS.

Try, if you want to make fun of the last existing Amiga users.

>3. Linux freaks and any other OS fanatics can do as well - may the OS with
>the best future (the OS which can be developted best to an ideal) win.

Currently the AmigaOS users (every flavour) should try to find a way out of the stagnation without the need of an closed source OS making company. Getting out of stagnation does not mean they should ask their goverment for help, it means a plan b when their OS making company goes belly up.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@damocles

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damocles wrote: @Fransexy Quote: Funny and ironic words from a men that designed the PIOS One (a mere PC with a PowerPC cpu) and wanted it to be the next gen AmigaOS compatible machine No, it was a quad PPC CPU mobo and he and Andy were working CAOS which, IIRC, ended up in their Met@Box STB.

And what they did with the PIOS One should compete with Apple in performance per price ratio. Something ACube missed to do.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@eXec
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eXec wrote: @Mechanic And how do computers work? ;)

Magic!

Inside those mostly black squarish things stuck on the motherboard is nothing
but Smoke and a Mirror.

Crack the mirror, or let the smoke out and the magic is gone.

@Arko

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performance per price ratio. Something ACube missed to do.

I think we both know that conditions changed since the time of PIOS. ACube has relatively successful business - third motherboard model on the market and good name in the Amiga community. One can say their marketing strategy works better than those of PIOS.

@thread

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated"

Here - LINK - is something most interesting. Especially
due to some of the comments made regarding ppc.

It's a good read, no matter which side of the fence you're on.

@Mechanic

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Magic

Best post so far.

Wow! My account is still active after 2.5 years away!

@polka.

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"The timeline for development will extend from the initial release, in 'Summer 2001' to the release of OS5 'late next year' (Winter 2002)." Source Further, in a development update (dated 21 January 2002), Hyperion stated that "As we have taken on more work (Intuition etc.) and folded some of the functionality originally planned for OS 4.2 into OS 4.0, this inevitably means the original February release-date might slip somewhat but all in all we believe that the end-result will be technologically

pfft

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@KingKong

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KingKong wrote: @damocles The Amiga rights (patents, ...) may be quite cheap because there is (except for the name) no need to buy them exclusivly.

As for Amiga related patents, ACER (via Gateway 2000) says Hi.

PS; I own ACER Iconia W500 tablet PC/netbook convertible...

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AmigaOS is no dead end - Intel and MSwindows more likely are. Admittedly someone must convince Germany (or the EU) that AmigaOS can be a better choice than Linux and I can't do this because I don't know enough of these operating systems. The question is not: could it be? The question is: why hasn't it already happen?

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20803
Intel posts record revenue.

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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, this thread was about something Dave Haynie said about Natami and the X1000. Just sayin'

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@DAX

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DAX wrote: @Hammer great stuff. However we were more like talking about 50 (64) sandy bridge cores. CPUs with "that many" won't be out very soon

Intel is already shipping 10 core Xeon E7 (32 nm process tech based).

Larrabee has 512bit wide SIMD which is better than SandyBridge's 256bit wide AVX SIMD.

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@-pekr-

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Power efficient and Cortex A15 generation being powerfull enough. Heck, even some recent phones can do 3D FullHD video playback with ARM related GPUs.

AMD C-50 APU can also do HDMI 1.4 1080p Blu-Ray 3D (H.264/VC1).

PS; I'm aware of Samsung Orion (AMD Cortex A9 based) which includes video acceleration hardware.

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