@itix

For example MiniGL, which does all the transformations on the CPU.

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He used objdump (that creates disassembly output from binaries).

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@broadblues

Quote:

Here some random and largely pointless statistics for you:

Yes that looks useless…..

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grep \"f1,\"`;

Did you really expect to find machine code by looking for ASCII chars?
Try looking for Hex EC0D0072, C1A30000, EC0D0072, FDA0001E or D9BF0010.

Any C code that use float or double will be using the FPU, that should 80%-90% of all programs.

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btw. out of interest, if you compile with clib2 against libm, fp functions get linked statically in no matter if necessary? i thought the usual would be to have only the functions used not the whole lib.

I'd have to check to be sure, but I seem to remeber that linking with libm replaces various stdio functions with ones that can handle floats. Those function might draw in a few others, whether or not they are called.

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@broadblues

The list is missing shared libraries. Certain audio, image and video codecs are using floats for sure. Of course, they can be recompiled to different CPU target...

68k programs are not affected because they use 68k FPU instructions which are always emulated. Just change the emulator...

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@Zylesea
Good news for new hardware for very expensive for me.

@broadblues

seems nothing essential in there;)
btw. out of interest, if you compile with clib2 against libm, fp functions get linked statically in no matter if necessary? i thought the usual would be to have only the functions used not the whole lib.

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@thread

Here some random and largely pointless statistics for you:

I analyzed te programs I used within the last year by processing appdir: with the following script.

#!SDK:Local/C/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

opendir DH, "APPDIR:";
my @exes =  readdir DH;
closedir DH;

my $floats = 0;
my $total = 0;

foreach (@exes) {
	
	my $result = `objdump -d \"APPDIR:$_\" | grep \"f1,\"`;
	$floats++ if not $result  eq "";
	print "$_\n" if not $result  eq "";
	$total ++;
#	last if $total > 10;
}

print "Total: $total Floats: $floats\n";

Total: 538 Floats: 150 

Libffi.so.5
Libjpeg.so.bak.6.2
Libjpeg.so__
Libssl.so.1.0.0
Bezmesh
Libcrypto.so.1.0.0
Libbz2.so
Gears
DopJoinPlus.os4
Phonolith
Jpegtopnm
Sed.sdk
DopJoin.os4
Pnmtopng
Tifftopnm
Pwd
Sed.mine
Minigl.library.bak
Filer.debug
Starfighter
Bumprev
Zip
Installation Utility
AddAudioModes
Idltool
Glquake_aos4
DiskImageGUI
Svnversion
UnRAR
Link
Scout.os4
Echo
Libjpeg.so
Wget
AWeb.developer
Mke2fs
Ffmpeg_ppc
Ntfsinfo
DvPlayer
Picasso96Mode
Waon
Yes
Nogravity-aos4
FfmpegGUI
Mkntfs
Kill
Quake2
Ffmpeg
Ignition
Addr2line
Tr
AHI
Smartctl
Sox
FSCheck
Ftpd
Kernel
WookieChat_OS4
Lame
Antiword
A1
AMISTORE_DL
AMIStore
DSP
MultiViewer
SP_Engine
Media Toolbox
AudioEvolution
TuneNet
Perl5.16.3
Ssh
Mplayer
Libgcov.so
AmiGS
Diff
PartitionWizard
Gdb
MultiView
Strip
Touch
Ftp
Uname
Ppaint
Bldyn
FileCompare
Ping
Make
Ls
Gs
Cp
3D
Chmod
Grep
Objdump
YAM
Sed
Gmake
Calculator
Pgp
SGrab
FileX
SketchBlock
Gzip
Tar
Cat
Tubsfind
AmiDVD
AmiPDF
TwinVNC
QuakeOS4
NTFileSystem3G
Cc1
Perl5.8.5
POSIX.pmod
SDL_perl.pmod
Dumper.pmod
As
Gcc
OWB
Rm
Odyssey
Filer
AutoDocViewer
Libsqlite3.so
Libstdc++.so
Libstdc++.so.cross
Libgcc.so.cross
Libpython25.so
Libxslt-1.1.so
Libxml2-2.6.so
Libssl-0.9.8.so
LibSDL_gfx.so
Libntfs-3g.so
Libntfs-3g.so_bak
LibSDL-1.2.so
Libcurl-7.16.so
Libgmp.so
Libcairo.so
Libfontconfig.so
Libpixman-1.so
Libpng12.so
Libz.so.1.2.3
Libicuuc-3.4.so
Ld
Sh
GrimReaper
Ranger
libgcc.so
perl
svn

gcc:bin/objdump: 'APPDIR:.': No such file
gcc:bin/objdump: 'APPDIR:..': No such file
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Https.protocol: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TVPaint: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TheMPegEncGUI: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FreeDB: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TheMPegEncGUI_Lame: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:GaussianBlur: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Tile: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:IMP: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:RemoveGrain: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:AutoFX: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Button.gc: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Gif.codec: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Awinquake: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Text.gc: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Awinquake_gcc: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PPView: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:IBPreferences.ibcc: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Composite: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Text: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Png.codec: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:File: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Http.protocol: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Jpeg.codec: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:REP: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Imagedecode.module: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:HistoEqu: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ShowTip: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:SoundFX: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Balance: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FlexCat: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:UserConvolve: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Sweeper.plugin: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Scale.FP: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:WindowedCGX: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:MedianCut: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TraceThrough: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:RubThrough: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Pantograph: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Minimum: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Maximum: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Mandala: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:AMixer.plugin: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:AvgRubThru: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FeltTip: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Divide: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Darken: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Crayon: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Agate.itx: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Chalk: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Add: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:AbsoluteSubtract: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Object_logo.tclib: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:AbsoluteAdd: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Softlight: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Smudge: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:HD-Rec_MIDI: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:HD-Rec_CPU: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Screen: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Saturation: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Relief: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Multiply: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Vt: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TurboCalc: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Lighten: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Illuminate: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Hardlight: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FingerPaint: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:HD-Rec: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Watercolor: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ShowAppList: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Imagine.fp: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Hue: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Value: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Subtract: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Sponge: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ANIM7: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FLC: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:JPEG: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FLI: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:IBrowse: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:MagicServer: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Disperse: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Blur: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Sharpen: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:DCTV: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:DataTypes: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:UnsharpMask: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Normal: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PCX: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PBM: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ICO: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:SunRaster: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Softimage: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:HAME: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:GraspDL: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:SGI: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Sculpt: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Rendition: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ReCombine: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TurboPrefs: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:QRT: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PSD: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PNG: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:INGF: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Info: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Httpfetch: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:GIF: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FrameStore: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FlyerClip: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FITS: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:FAXX: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:DPIIE: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:BMP: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ANIM: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Abekas: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PICT: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:RexxMast: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:WBToFront: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PIC: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Rotate: File format not recognized
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gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:WaveFront: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:PDS_VICAR: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:YUVN: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:VMEM: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Netfs-server: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:WwProg: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Wordworth: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:TIFF: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Targa: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:ImageFX: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:Test68: File format not recognized
gcc:bin/objdump: APPDIR:M68k-amigaos-gcc: File format not recognized

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Speaking of speculations we can only guess what it takes to get Petunia JIT to emulatie 68k FPU on that hardware. Since it was written in PPC asm there could be some interesting obstacles.

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@OlafS25

i told you, its confirmed with toni but kalamatee hasnt yet come up with a solution.

@wawa

it is offtopic but... have you asked Jason and Toni already?

@OlafS25

the one, causing wrong screen measurements on wanderer. somehow you have escaped this problem, but im working upon nightlies if i do, so i have to wait.

@wawa

what bug in screenmode prefs?

@Birbo

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Thanks for the "stupid" part. How do you know, that I don't know? Perhaps I know...

Birbo I didn't mean to offend you, so I'm sorry if that was the case. I just thought the last thing we needed to hear was some wild speculations, or something which the usual suspects could call "fanboy dreams" later on.

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@wawa

some time ago I created this page for FS-UAE:
http://www.aros-platform.de/html/fs_uae.html

newest versions (dev builds) are slightly different and have JIT activated (at least the 64bit versions)

"The new x86-64 JIT compiler is available and enabled in the 64-bit versions. "

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@OlafS25
i need it under linux vr to simplify testing builds, otherwise i constantly need to shove data to windows host. i will try out as soon as it may make sense to go forth with aros68k, currently the bug in the screenmode prefs affecting resolution is putting me off.

@bison

I do not know how good AmigaOS runs in FS-UAE on Linux but Aros Vision should work quiet well

little bit of marketing

@wawa

in the newest 64bit version of FS-UAE JIT is automatical activated. I tested Windows not Linux but I assume it is the same there.

in older versions JIT was activated with putting "uae_cachesize = 8192" in special configuration. Standard was no JIT.

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@wawa

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i have, on different linux distros, when i was compiling and testing aros 68k. afair i wasnt able to enable jit (you have no easily accessible option). all in all its much slower to work with and harder to handle in comparison to winuae, it comes nowhere near it. which is probably the reason that experienced developers such as thor have a bad opinion about the state of usability of emulation, especially as far as testing and bug fixing matters.

I was afraid that might be the case. I'm still hopeful that the situation will improve. That it runs AOS4 at all is impressive.

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sorry to say windows is the best option to run amiga code at maximum speed.

Windows is a non-starter for me. I haven't used it on any system that I own since 1999. Sometimes I use it at work, but only because I'm getting paid to do so.

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