Hello.
Are there any pascal programmers here?
If so, could you tell me the pros and cons of this language?
Thanks.

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@Trekiej

I tried it way back in the 80's when I had a sharpMZ series computer, it came with pascal, fortran, cobol, basic & asm.

pascal is (was) very good for writing code, you started of with basic commands you joined together in different ways to create new commands, you could write fairly complex programs easily. the big problem was reading your code if you came back to it after a while as at that time you couldn't see what your commands exactly did if you had forgotten.

It was ported to OS4 many years ago and hasn't been updated since the first release iirc.

Your choice of language really depends on what type of program you want to write.

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@Trekiej

Pascal programmers was good programing language, somewhat more advanced then basic, and less advanced then C.
Pascal is not so good at binary operations; it does not have shift rotation.
The Pascal does not have short version of A=A+1, or A=A*2, like C has.

C+=1;
C*=2;

Pascal does not have objects like C++ has.
With Pascal does have Procedure's (like C has functions).

Like C, Pascal uses the ";" symbol to say end of command / line.

Pascal need to type more, all code blocks starts with BEGIN and ends with END, similar to C all code blocks start with { and end's with }.

In C you need to use TAB, to organize the code or it can be hard to read, in Pascal it can be somewhat easier to read even if don't use TAB.

Pascal does not use makefile or build script like C, it more like using AMOS professional.

In Pascal you can inline Assembler code, like you can in C.

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Thanks to both of you, I have Turbo Pascal for ms-dos.
I am not for sure where to go with this.
I am thinking of Interactive Fiction and Graphical Adventure.

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@Severin

Free Pascal IS updated and available on Amiga (68k, MorphOS and AROS not AmigaOS)

@Trekiej

there are threads about the AROS version on aros-exec.org and it is included in Aros Vision ("fp" from shell)

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OlafS25 wrote: @Severin Free Pascal IS updated and available on Amiga (68k, MorphOS and AROS not AmigaOS)

Yeah, last update on os4depot was 20 Aug 06 so simply put AFAIC it is NOT updated

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@Severin

Yes I think because of not possible to support AmigaOS

On the other platforms it is updated

@OlafS25

Thanks for the info.
I guess I will have to keep researching this topic.
There seem to be as many programming languages as there are days int the year.
This applies to operating systems as well.

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@Trekiej

I think its waste of time to teach yourself Pascal these days, C offers more and allows you better control of the OS, while Pascal has it standard libraries and is kind of, limited by this.

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Uh, what can I say. I guess if I could make 2d and 3d games on arbitrary platform, I could be happy with it.
Has anyone used pascal on the c64 before? Do you think it is worth it.

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Of course you're comparing Pascal of the 80s the standard has made lots of progressing in later years, you also have Object Pascal, it's a modern language like the others.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

You are talking nonsense now

It is like all that OS related "xyz is better than xxx" talk

I do a lot of programming in real world and I am a fan of pascal

Freepascal IS updated for AROS, 68k and MorphOS and IS modern

@Trekiej

Try Free Pascal. It includes a lot of amiga includes. BTW best supported amiga language is Amiga-E. General it all depends what you want to do. If it is graphic related perhaps even Hollywood might be a option.

Most updated language offer similar features so it is a matter of taste. Some here seem to stick in the 90s and not in 2015.

Oh boy, here we go again... Pascal, the language everyone has an opinion on and no clue about...

@NutsAboutAmiga
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Pascal programmers was good programing language, somewhat more advanced then basic, and less advanced then C.

Sorry for the wording, but this is plain bullshit. Pascal is in fact more advanced in a number of ways than C. For example, all recent Pascal dialects have syntax elements for Object Oriented programming, advanced string handling (even unicode, recently), standardized I/O library which supports many platforms, even threading support and more... Additionally, reading any semi-advanced Pascal syntax doesn't cause you eye cancer (Ever ___tried _to (* ____read) __C11 _code?) ...

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Pascal is not so good at binary operations; it does not have shift rotation.

Pascal has shl/shr, just like C has > > and < < operators. Here's a good summary about C vs. Pascal syntax elements.

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I think its waste of time to teach yourself Pascal these days, C offers more and allows you better control of the OS, while Pascal has it standard libraries and is kind of, limited by this.

I find your ignorance slightly insulting. In fact, it's possible to create a Pascal header to *ANY* C library, and call freely. You can also static link against C libs and call all their functions. (OK, this static linking feature is still missing from Amiga flavors of FPC, because I was too lazy to write the required startup code... )

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BTW best supported amiga language is Amiga-E.

The guys working on the Amiga (68k) and AROS version of Free Pascal work hard to change that... BTW, I'd say the best supported language on Amiga is still C... Don't think about GCC, for example I find VBCC really excellent, and it has tons of Amiga-related features. (Lets be objective, shall we?)

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@Chain-Q

I thought of the modules (libraries supported), not language features

But we do not to discuss about it, as I said a matter of taste (and requirements of project). Most projects can be done with any language.

@Chain-Q

BTW thanks a lot for updating Free Pascal for 68k, AROS and MorphOS

@Severin
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Yeah, last update on os4depot was 20 Aug 06 so simply put AFAIC it is NOT updated

I stopped working on the AmigaOS4 flavor of Free Pascal, because there was no interest or feedback from the OS4 community. And because on the lower levels, AmigaOS4 is too alien to other Amiga systems. You have to put special support for it all over your source code (Hello-hello library interfaces, who said that useless crap was a good idea?), which the other three flavors don't need, and provide a separate syntax at places. And because of this, you also need to maintain a separate set of headers and utility libs for everything... I can't be arsed, really.

Anyway, if anyone volunteers to maintain the OS4 version of Free Pascal RTL (runtime-libraries) and the OS headers (the infrastructure is now there to do this separately from the rest of the Amiga-like OSes, which was missing in 2006), I can bring the OS4 compiler up to speed in about 1-2 days. Anyone interested - drop me a PM.

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