@OlafS25

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say that AmigaOS is the only true Amiga OS.

Which is right.

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Clones are copies, imitating behavior.

Exactly. What is wrong with that? AROS was created to as clone of AmigaOS on more affordable and future-proof hardware. Why deny that?

@Boot_WB

Wowow, say to Olaf whatever you want (freedom of speech, after all) but when I wrote the OP I wasn't talking about trademarks. I was more after the normal, general use of the word Amiga for AmigaNG's, not the legal status of it.

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@Severin wrote: If it runs an amiga OS (1, 2, 3 or 4) nativly it's an amiga.

Nonsense.

@pavlor

why emphasizing it?

@number6

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If intent means anything, then how do you see Amithlon in all of this?

One of Bill´s ideas was to sold x86 notebooks with emulated OS3.9. Amithlon would be perfect choice for this purpose. However, if my memory serves me right, there was never proper licence for Amithlon based project (AmigaOS XL was one of reasons for break between Amiga.Inc and Haage-Partner).

@OlafS25

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why emphasizing it?

You mean why say these are clones? As I wrote, in my language it has no such negative sense - Czech AROS and MorphOS users use word "clone" (or better "klon" without hesitation.

@pavlor

Right. And Bernie has told his story in detail on AW twice. And there has never been challenge to any of the facts.

But I must have badly mistated my question.

I'm asking in the vein of "what is an Amiga" if "intent" counts.

Vapor? We have tons. But this was what Amiga was supposed to be, so again...does "intent" count in defining Amiga, especially if you think companies have the right to determine what direction their company goes?

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@Vistaus

the problem is that it is not just a computer, it seems sometimes it is more like a religion. So this senseless debates are arising...

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For many people in the 68k community the old 68k hardware is Amiga, specific with its own interfaces, custom chips and so on. The focus is on the unique hardware, OS not the most important point. I can remember in the old days that the debate was "Amiga versus PC" and not "AmigaOS versus MSDOS". The NG fans redefine Amiga and say hardware is not so important but software (OS). There is the basic difference. If you say Amiga is something based on 68k processor with unique custom chips then a PPC based board using standard components hardly qualifies as "Amiga"

@pavlor

As I said it is not only this word but also how and where it is used

@Vistaus

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Wowow, say to Olaf whatever you want (freedom of speech, after all) but when I wrote the OP I wasn't talking about trademarks. I was more after the normal, general use of the word Amiga for AmigaNG's, not the legal status of it.

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@number6

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But I must have badly mistated my question.

Fault can be on my side. My language skills are rather weak, I learned English here on Amigaworld.net.

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I'm asking in the vein of "what is an Amiga" if "intent" counts.

Well, that is not easy question.

In 1998, new AmigaOS should be based on QNX. Year later it was Linux, one more year later Intent (TAO)...

Are these Amiga? I think not. Better to call Amiga only ideas that became reality (like AmigaDE/AmigaAnywhere, AmigaOne and Amiga Mini). Hard to say what is "Amiga" now in mind of Bill McEwen.

@OlafS25

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old days that the debate was "Amiga versus PC" and not "AmigaOS versus MSDOS".

Old Usenet discussion (before 1994) show both hardware and OS were fiercely compared with world of PCs. However, I have no first hand experience (still little child in 1994).

Hi! I think yes because the "new" machines are similar to the original idea from Commodore about machines based on ppc, the system is the same or maintains its philosophy, and we are here ¿no? :D

@pavlor

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In 1998, new AmigaOS should be based on QNX. Year later it was Linux, one more year later Intent (TAO)... Are these Amiga? I think not. Better to call Amiga only ideas that became reality (like AmigaDE/AmigaAnywhere, AmigaOne and Amiga Mini). Hard to say what is "Amiga" now in mind of Bill McEwen.

Fair enough. But Amithlon was released and many people use it here. There were updates as well. And Gary was a regular poster here on AW until 2009 anyway. Bernie still pops in. That's the only reason I brought it up as being somewhat different to categorize. You could say it was supported by both the parent company AND the users. That's somewhat unique.

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@JohnnyBit

Welcome!

@pavlor

I was young there too. There was no split between hardware and OS, it was a package. But most discussions were about the hardware capabilities (it was the limiting factor for any computer at that time)

@JohnnyBit

hello

"original idea from Commodore about machines based on ppc"

any links? I am only aware of something like PA-RISC and AAA chipset (project delayed because of lack of money) and then Commodore was bankrupt. I think there were plans later on by "Amiga Technologies" when it was owned by ESCOM.

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@number6

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You could say it was supported by both the parent company AND the users.

Amithlon 2.0 to be more precise. Original Amithlon had no official support from Amiga.Inc.


Today, it would be ultimate NG solution - faster than PowerPC G5, on every PC. Truly AmigaAnywhere.

@pavlor

it was indeed a great product. It is a pity that it was dropped

@OlafS25

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I was young there too.

Well, I couldn´t even read back then.

I can only judge by Usenet discussions I browsed for my research - by 90s, OS was that was most praised in comparison to outer world. That was my impression.