@eliyahu

With best wishes that man does what he promised,
distro watch ranks it 15th
http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=os4

It has been there since 2008 as PC/OS, later renamed OS4,
now OS4 Open Linux

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@WolfToTheMoon

Truly, now the Amiga FAQ has been removed and Cybernet has been added
as partner (remember early CUSA Phoenix?)

AROS installation stays.

Looks like continuing where C-USA stopped, with better PR
and lighter Linux then C-OS. For now.


Sunday, June 30, 2013
New Hardware partner
Today we are pleased to announce a new hardware partner, Cybernet. Cybernet produces AIO PC's and keyboard form factor PC's for government, medical and through the OS4 marketplace, we will be providing these keyboard form factor PC's for consumers. Starting July 3rd 2013, these will be available. The specs on this machine is available with this spec sheet

These machines will ship with either OS4 OpenLinux or our groundbreaking OS4 Enterprise Linux 64 bit releases.

We look forward to bringing these machines to you.

Pricing will be made available upon addition to our store.

About Cybernet

Cybernet is the pioneer in high-performance, all-in-one PC technology. Since 1996, we have focused our design and manufacturing efforts on space saving IT solutions, customized for our customers' unique environments and computing needs. That singular focus maintained over time and our commitment to quality make us the trusted source for all-in-one computers.

Cybernet Website


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Saturday, June 29, 2013
New Options to hardware
In regards to our hardware we are making the following announcements.

On all desktops, and laptops upon customer request we will ship with VirtualBox with AROS installed as a guest.

Upon successfully testing these systems with AROS and making sure that all system hardware is supported, AROS will be shipped as a dual boot option upon customer request.

So why are we including AROS "upon request". The reason for "upon request" is that most of the people that buy hardware from us buy it for OS4 Enterprise Linux or OS4 OpenLinux. While the Amiga market is a smaller much less expansive market, we do realize some of those customers are going to want a platform to run their older Amiga apps and they will want to keep working on their Amiga development projects. AROS will allow them to do that and we look forward to working with the AROS system on hardware support and availability.

AROS inclusion will not be available, understandably, on the Server hardware.

Pricing. The option will be available July 1, 2013 and there will be no extra charge.

About AROS http://aros.sourceforge.net/

And message to community has survived somehow
http://www.os4online.com/2013/06/a-message-to-amiga-community.html

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@eliyahu

+1

I share your scepticism now. I was excited because I thought to have the brand shared for different products/platforms is a good idea (and I still think so). But that is not what he obviously can do. All promises he did where regarding AmigaOS (except some drivers for AROS) and he seems to think that he can establish and sell his distribution to amigans (by supporting amigaos, by integrating AROS hosted and by supporting G4 and G5 Macs and port ambient). What he seems to forget is that there is f.e. aeros already that certainly offers a better integration than everything he promises.

So I see it like you, many "very ambitious" promises. Perhaps a little too much. The nice thing is if it is only "CUSA reloaded" nobody will loose or win anything. The X1000 user will (propably) get another distribution but nobody is forced to buy it. And otherwise life will go on.

@eliyahu

This posting, and your previous one in the 'Things wot we plan to do" thread pretty much cover my concerns/feelings.

I'll add a couple more:

Once it became clear there was no license in place, and they're just naming their distro Amiga OpenLinux, I felt the Q&A was entirely redundant. Opening another (even more expensive) shop and making a list of good intentions isn't newsworthy.

Amiga OpenLinux without either a license, or the buy-in of the community, is imo Parasitic Branding. Otherwise the logo would be a spanish friend, not a boingball.

'Amiga' branded hardware without Amiga Inc's buyin (or inheriting rights from CUSA) isn't going to happen. If it does, nobody in their right mind wants to be associated with yet another set of lawsuits just for a namebadge and a boingball. Such risks do not constitute a viable business plan.

There was an opportunity here to be a unifying party in the Amigaland chronicles, gaining the rights to 'Amiga' branding (either through CUSA or Amiga Inc) and offering equal use of it to AmigaOS, AROS and MorphOS.
Approaching the community with grand claims, without first even contacting hardware manufacturers, IP holders, developers and OS development leads, is amateurish at best, bull5hit artist at wost, and as you see a sure-fire way to pi55 people off.

The whole thing has been gone about entirely arse-first, and cgutjahr was entirely right in his assessment, if in my opinion slightly premature coming to the conlusions (the danger with this being that any new blood with a genuine offer may be put off by such a 'welcome' just for positing ideas).

Even if the intentions are honest, I don't see that this level of 'professionalism' can bring anything to the community in terms of customer relations, although I'm sure people will be happy for any coding contributions.

That can best be accomplished though private communications rather than posting on web forums.

In the meantime, this is currently not relevent to my interests.
Good luck with it all, whatever your aims are. I'll happily judge it by the results it brings, but there's currenlty nothng to judge.

Please refrain from trying to gather cheerleaders in the meantime, they will only distract your devs from their coding duties.

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More popcorn guaranteed.

With agreeing its likely an attempt to break through Linux distro using Amiga,
this is what I can account from IRC as promising or promises of trade off.

Its all kind of promised for january 2014, so it will be either best or most disappointing
month in AmigaOS history. Maybe it would be best to leave it alone and wait for (no)fruits,
unless something is uploaded to OS4 depot to test?

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[18:41:23] ktadd You mentioned assisting with writing device drivers for AmigaOS4. What types of devices do you plan to support? [18:43:28] Wifi devices, hopefully through AROS get touch screen working properly, and also common networking devices. If the time comes and AROS, Amiga OS, and even MorphOS has a problem with getting certain devices to work we will offer our expertise and development resources to helping them get it to work properly.

PPC support should be continuous, and they do believe to be able to aid driver and components port to AROS and AOS4

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[18:47:23] Derfs you have talked about java and Qt for amiga os, have you spoken to the people working on the amiga os ports of them already? [18:48:20] *Ken* few questions before you [18:49:32] Yes I have, and that conversation is ongoing. We are not here to throw bones to the community, we are fully commited that when say a new release of QT is available to immediately start work on the new release, same with Java and same with our port of Network Manager. We see how sometimes these releases that were produced before get 5 or 6 releases behind. With us working on Java and QT that wont happen. [18:49:38] Next question [18:50:16] since the ppc is considered end of life,how are you able to keep a distro up to date/are you able to port x86 apps to ppc ? Thanks ! [18:51:37] --> terminills (~terminill@cpe-69-204-164-43.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined this channel. [18:51:56] The PowerPC is not EOL. There are several chip companies out there, IBM and Freescale who produce and continue to produce chips and systems with those chips. We need to open up dialogue and refresh the supply.

It looks like Amiga branded hardware is coming (hmmm ... what will Amiga Inc and Hyp say?)

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Ah, here we go. you spoke of partners +selling amiga branded hardware, were you talking about a-eon or another company? [18:57:34] A-EON and other companies, both. Some of those companies are under NDA. We have a few announcements coming within the next 48 hours and some of these have been in the community before.

Even Chromium is promised for AOS4 (note: sometimes its not clear wether PPC Linux port is ment or AmigaOS4 port, seems like they do believe its easy as porting to another LInux arhitecture

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[18:57:43] Chromium for AmigaOS4 would be great to have. How much time would you guestimate porting something like that would take? How could the community help [18:57:43] bump it up on your priority list? [18:59:11] Well its not a easy port, we are guestimating something like that would coincide with our release of our first betta of OS4 PowerLinux. Also, testers if we have committed testers we can produce a stable product.

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pjsX1K> how long will it take to port GTK or a linux VM to Amiga OS ? [19:07:55] We plan to release that in conjuction with our final release of OS4 PowerLinux so far its feasible, doable

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14:00] are you looking at having an amigaos cross compiler pre-setup in the os4 linux distro, and if so when do you see this happening? [19:15:19] We are planning for the cross compiler to be ready for the 14.0 release coming in August. For 13.6, Hosted AROS will have all development tools installed. [19:15:24] Next Question [19:15:26] What is the best way to contact you if we are intrested in beta testing AmigaOS4 software? [19:15:52] Contact the support team, support@pc-opensystems.com

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they have raised some dust... fine but nothing else

they have promised a lot (or at least indicated or vague promised) but there is not much real. The only thing I believe right now is that they will port their distribution to PPC (X1000, perhaps Acube and used Macs) to sell it. Anything else I would not believe because as long as they do not sit on a huge pile of money or have big investors behind they are not able to do all that because their business is the distribution. So better expect nothing from them, if they "disappoint us" and actually deliver something we can still pat on their heads.

@eliyahu

I, for a chance, really, really, really hope you are right. I don't like the idea of them being associated with the Comunity and Amiga in any way. We had so much of this already..

This is so laughable.. I might not have the best of taste, but their webpage alone looks like, oh dear, even the most cheep porn site(obviously) or defrauder website i had stumbled upon looks better!
I'm pretty sure some (stereotypical) peasants here in the village could throw up a better web presence..

Tonight I'll catch a bunch of them when they're plugging the fields and ask them to put together a business plan to re-vamp the Amiga business..
I'll let you know in a few months how it went, when the rest of the world is laughing at us (again) and we can assert uprightly it wasn't our fault, but just a sloppy, botch made by some bunglers..




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@OlafS25

A well functioning Linux distro for X1000 and Acube hardware, isnt that a good thing?
While you might not use it, atleast its options for those with the hardware.

Espesially for the x1000 users that spent a substantial amount of cash to get the hardware,
it would be nice to do in Linux what the AOS still cant provide...or no?

@Overflow

i said exactly this...

it does not harm and everyone can decide then if it is worth the money (compared to what is already available)

But all the other things he told are at least doubtful except he has a huge staff who can work on it just for fun

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We welcome this honest and open debate here on AW as it is the users who really have final say whether something will succeed or fail -- they are the one's who might reach into their pockets to support 'whatever'.

However, let's remember to keep it respectful. These are all personal opinions being expressed in this thread by people (with unfortunate previous experience) who can spot at 50 paces a naked Emperor supposedly sporting new clothes. ANYONE who attempts to come into this community should recognise this, understand it and not be frightened off by the wealth of experience and knowledge our members possess. You people are some of the most harsh and judgemental critics found on the planet but you are also THE most loyal user base, period. Good for you, keep it up. Thoughtful critique, if utilised, always makes for a better final result.

I just hope Roberto realises that the critique expressed here, though extremely valuable in content and exactitude, will never come sugar-coated.

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I just hope Roberto realises that the critique expressed here, though extremely valuable in content and exactitude, will never come sugar-coated.

Looks like nothing but a trolling thread to me.

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@eliyahu

i'd really like to see a new ppc distro even if it's a simple another ubuntu derivate.
This will help the Whole linuxppc community testing sw, proposing patches and submitting bugreport.

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@terminills

have you learned that from your "trolling" book?

@Amiga names legality

In IRC Robert said that they consider Amiga name being abandoned based upon following:

Amiga Inc. havent released hardware products (computers) lately, and Amiga inc. is not producing Operating System anymore.

First of all, even if letter of law is on hes side, spirit of law is definetily not in my opinion. I think he is doing wrong in stealing the name.

However, I think hes abandon basis is wrong too.

1. hardware not produced.

While they maybe havent made hardware releases, they have been licensing hardware product licenses, which effectively could have made them several reasons not to make hardware themselves.

a. Maybe they didnt think there was enough market for more hardware and they decided to be nice to their licensees

b. Since licensees were perhaps doing good work enough, they didnt need to do.

c. in CUSAs case, CUSA licensed all the rights for All-In-One Amigas, making it impossible for amiga inc. to make hardware. Although CUSA didnt deliver, that isnt really Amiga Inc.s fault and they had every reason to beleive CUSA would.

d. Were those Amiga PCs under Amiga Incs name or were thei third partys? The 100 USD pads? Not so long ago (or maybe much longer ago than i remember)


Even they dont themselves make hardware, licensing AmigaOnes (which are even currently being produced - SAM and X1000) effectively in my opinion does make them hardware producers at least in spirit of law, not abandoned.



2. That they are not making Operating software.

a. What about Amiga Anywhere 2? They are developing that and using it for their blackberry emulation. Although they bundle it with blackberry, it is still operating system, and even if its not used for public marketing, it is most likely anyway mentioned when marketing their games to blueberry company.

b. Once again, licensing have been done to Amiga OS 4 (although another possiblity is that it belongs to hyperion nowadays).


In my opinion, Donnert is wrong on both hes basis.



And even if Amiga Inc. wouldnt be considered Operating System producer, then comes the Hyperion, who have and is releasing Amiga OS releases and selling them for public.


If Donnert has deep pockets, perhaps we will see small revival of Amiga inc again, and maybe some speedied update on Hyperion after court settles.



So far I had mostly been postivie about Donnert, But stealing Amiga name wihtout license, especially when Amiga Inc. pointed out it would be only 600 USD plus 5 percent fee (which might be high, depending upon how their cost for their openlinux thing goes) could have settled the thing nicely, although Ainc also pointed out they werent wanting to be associated with linux, but i believe that could have been negotiated perhaps, or at least tried to.

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have you learned that from your "trolling" book?

Nah I'm just done with this community.

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I'm sitting this one out, not really read all the threads, but if he's here to helps the current community in some way, (AmigaOS, or Aros) then great, if he here to just help grow his own community and his own LINUX OS then that's not so cool (which is looking more likely at the moment).

so time for some popcorn, I haven't had much since CommodoreUSA threads where all over the place.

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@terminills

haeh? Slept bad?

@OlafS25

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haeh? Slept bad?

Nope I slept great. Gave me time to realize how much of a joke this community has become.

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@terminills

are you not a little overreacting? The haunt is over again. Cancelling all activity (gutenprint, AROS?) seems to me a little too much because of that.