@TheDaddy

Quote:

Really, is that a possibility? Is it possible that Amiga Inc. have given the name out on a loan basis?

I would imagine that payments are only due once a product is on sale. Anything else would be extremely stupid.

They have not sold any Amiga branded product yet, Barry explains on c-a.org that they're expecting the Amiga Mini to arrive "real soon now". Hence my guess that no money has been paid yet.

@cgutjahr

Quote:

they're expecting the Amiga Mini to arrive "real soon now

This means that they have started selling non existing product?

Duh, that is what you get when dealing with OEM (Amiga) rebranders

Loriano is great example of
I Can, You Can

Last edited by vox on 09-May-2012 at 10:37 PM.
Last edited by vox on 09-May-2012 at 10:36 PM.

_________________
Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way!

@BigBentheAussie and TheDaddy

I expect this reply will be buried, and people will skim over it.

However, here's the deal:

Trademarks/Licensing etc is my field, and I'm an Amiga admirer from afar - I read but don't post. I read the comments about CUSA's license of the Amiga mark with interest though.

Here is my educated take:

1. CUSA - BigBentheAussie - Please advise whether your license to the Amiga mark is "exclusive" or "non-exclusive". If it is non-exclusive, you have NO RIGHTS to threaten people using the Amiga mark.

2. TheDaddy - You cannot use the Amiga mark without permission from it's owner: Amiga Inc. I would contact them to discuss licensing if you were planning on releasing your product commercially. They would I am sure advise you if they have granted exclusive rights to someone else...

@AmigaFromAfar

Quote:

Trademarks/Licensing etc is my field

Then I have a question for you...

Since Pluritas of San Francisco has been in the process of divesting Amiga Inc. of most of its pertinent IP since 2010, how do you view someone licensing the IP simultaneously with this divestiture?

source

#6

Last edited by number6 on 10-May-2012 at 11:11 PM.

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@AmigaFromAfar

Quote:

1. CUSA - BigBentheAussie - Please advise whether your license to the Amiga mark is "exclusive" or "non-exclusive". If it is non-exclusive, you have NO RIGHTS to threaten people using the Amiga mark.

C=USA has had an exclusive license to the Amiga name since 2011 after AI ended it's relationship with iContain.

_________________
Dammy

@number6

Quote:

Since Pluritas of San Francisco has been in the process of divesting Amiga Inc. of most of its pertinent IP since 2010, how do you view someone licensing the IP simultaneously with this divestiture?

2010 was ages ago and most likely belongs in the Amiga history books.

_________________
Dammy

@number6

So many new Amiga users,
we should discuss licences more often.

Things is X500 is never inteneded to be sold under Amiga name.
There were stickers as complete user option (and Amiga is removed from any material) and there is AMICA sign on the left side.

Believe its not a registred trademark for cases or computers.

Quote:

C=USA has had an exclusive license to the Amiga name since 2011 after AI ended it's relationship with iContain.

Please present an Amiga Inc website reference.

Last edited by vox on 10-May-2012 at 11:21 PM.

_________________
Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way!

@damocles

Quote:

2010 was ages ago and most likely belongs in the Amiga history books.

... as well as there is no cause/effect /sarcasm off

We never heard of CUSA purchase of licence from Pluritas
or cancellation of Pluritas deal.

Last edited by vox on 10-May-2012 at 11:20 PM.
Last edited by vox on 10-May-2012 at 11:20 PM.

_________________
Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way!

@damocles

Quote:

C=USA has had an exclusive license to the Amiga name since 2011 after AI ended it's relationship with iContain.

Let's include the statement from Barry, assuming he's really interested in looking at this:

source

#6

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@number6

Yeah, 2011 is when Barry signed the license agreement and that is after iContain relationship with AI ended.

_________________
Dammy

@vox

Quote:

Pluritas, LLC, a leading IP transaction advisory firm, is currently accepting offers to acquire the worldwide rights to the AMIGA trademarks and associated intellectual property.

Just where do you see Pluritas LLC owning or licensing Amiga Inc IP in the above? They were acting as a sales broker for Amiga Inc.

_________________
Dammy

@damocles

Quote:

They were acting as a sales broker for Amiga Inc.

Correct. Saying this for Vox's benefit...not yours. heh.

#6

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@damocles

Quote:

C=USA has had an exclusive license to the Amiga name since 2011 after AI ended it's relationship with iContain.

The "exclusive" part only refers to all in keyboard computers. The fact that iContain dropped the brand is irrelevant. If other parties want to license the brand for other types of computer they just need to make a deal with Amiga Inc.

From Commodore USA's website.

Commodore® trademark used by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard, desktop and HTPC computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Holdings, BV, registered in the United States and other countries. Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and worldwide non-exclusive license for desktop, tower and HTPC computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries.

Edit

@thread

Why are we discussing the terms of Commodore USA's license with Amiga Inc in a thread about an unrelated product?

Last edited by Rob on 10-May-2012 at 11:50 PM.

@Rob

My link indicates otherwise.

Quote:

On Dec 22, 2011 Commodore USA, LLC and Amiga Inc. signed a new contract granting us EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE rights to ALL format computers branded with the Amiga trademark IP.

Quote:

Why are we discussing the terms of Commodore USA's license with Amiga Inc in a thread about an unrelated product?

Agree. The discussion really belongs here

#6

Last edited by number6 on 10-May-2012 at 11:53 PM.
Last edited by number6 on 10-May-2012 at 11:51 PM.

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@number6

Is the Commodore USA website out of date or has Barry muddled his words? Since Dammy keeps in contact with Barry, maybe could request confirmation and ask Barry to get the site updated if necessary.

@Rob

iirc, the site changed to point to a new site perhaps with the corrections. Almost just as quickly it changed back, so now has the older info.
Dammy or Leo could confirm that.
Again, if memory serves me, the new site met with some comments about design being difficult to read, hence the change back. The info does need to be made current either way though.

#6

Last edited by number6 on 11-May-2012 at 12:06 AM.

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@Rob

Quote:

Is the Commodore USA website out of date or has Barry muddled his words? Since Dammy keeps in contact with Barry, maybe could request confirmation and ask Barry to get the site updated if necessary.

I've mentioned about that page recently to Barry and Leo. I don't think they believe it's a high priority item with the new products ready to ship shortly.

_________________
Dammy

@damocles

It must be five minutes work at most. Mind you if Amiga Inc can't hand out licenses to other companies then I suppose it doesn't really matter. Although it does seem a little strange that Amiga Inc would grant so much power over their own IP to some system builder who describe themselves as a small company. Very little of what Amiga Inc have done makes much sense though.

@Rob

Quote:

Very little of what Amiga Inc have done makes much sense though.

Their willingness to collect payment for Icontain products without shipping said products is disturbing. But again, we're off-topic.

#6

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@number6

Hi Number6,

Pluritas is a broker, and from the other links provided (the quote from CUSA about having an exclusive license), I imagine they didn't manage to "broker" any significant deal and as such - Amiga Inc have licensed the trademarks to CUSA.

Here is my take on that license (I am assuming here that CUSA's comments here are true - http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/2-welcome-mat/11285-some-more-good-news-to-end-2011?lang=en#11285):

1. If the license is fully exclusive, this tells me that Amiga had very few other options. The name is about all Amiga Inc has left of any value, an exclusive license in the fields CUSA describes basically cuts off Amiga's options to do anything else (if the "exclusivity" is worth it's salt).

2. The fact they have also given CUSA right to enforce is big, either Amiga Inc was poorly advised or they have no intention of enforcing the rights themselves. Normally, even in the case of exclusive licenses the rights owner maintains the right to enforce the marks. It's just good business practice for a number of reasons.

Bottom line - to sign away the rights to the AMIGA name in: "Form factors include, but are not limited to Desktop, HTPC, Tower, AIO/ Keyboard etc. " (CUSA's quote) is really something that saddens me. CUSA isn't a major company with significant revenue, and the fact that is the best option Amiga Inc had is really indicative of the value of the "Amiga" name these days.

I can only hope they got a nice big upfront payment, as opposed to a per unit royalty.