@Coder

"I know this issue has been debated to death by now but still. I do remember that Steven said there was going to be some developer wiki?"

You heard correctly.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we quite live in the same region? If so please drop me a PM and I'll gladly help you out.

OldFart

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@kimmok\

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I think things like the old lightwave + screamernet would be nice if "bundled" with the OS.

video toaster software has already been open sourced. But no one is working on it.. Not enough developers.

The morphos direction of moving all essential apps inhouse developed by core os devs seems to be the only way to go.

I am suprised you os4 fans still ask for these old companies to develop/release software when all previous promises by your hermans (dopus/realsoft etc) have proven to be vaporware

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@cheesegrate

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The morphos direction of moving all essential apps inhouse developed by core os devs seems to be the only way to go.

If that is the only way to go, then Hyperion must first finish the OS update (4.2), and then it would be OK to do the "inhouse" development of such projects e.g. If these were not just rumours of licences, it would be nice to see ports of Real3D, Dopus Magellan. SiN, Gorky 17, Worms Armageddon But then development of OS would be stalled. With little resources. not an easy road. Anyway, the OS itself is great (both OS4 and MOS), but as we all know, it needs apps.

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@cheesegrate

"direction of moving all essential apps inhouse developed"

Microsoft way??

re: "I think things like the old lightwave + screamernet would be nice if "bundled" with the OS."

I meant the 68k version (possibly with some fixes to run on AOS4 screen straight away, not tried it, perhaps it runs already) screamernet can use heterogenous rendering network, like the native PPC of the system and the 8core 4Ghz PC at the carage.

With some retrofun package of some AOS4HW, it would be "ok".

IIRC, videotoaster does nothing without HW.

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@vox

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vox wrote: If that is the only way to go, then Hyperion must first finish the OS update (4.2), ...

And after the OS update they will have to work on the bug fixes (~2 years) and than there will be another hardware port and than another update and than other fixes ... that was the routine of the last 10 years I don't see a reason why it will become better.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

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And after the OS update they will have to work on the bug fixes (~2 years) and than there will be another hardware port and than another update and than other fixes ... that was the routine of the last 10 years I don't see a reason why it will become better.

OS needs apps.
Sadly, there is only example of Timberwolf as "big news lately".Since even that is an "outside job" Its not that anything is promised. But if use of OS is to expand with cheaper hardware, this has to be solved somehow. Linux ports work so far.

KOffice is great example what could be ported, and with QT there are a lot of possibilities. Can`t help with programming but would add small donations from time to time to such projects gladly. Bounties are nice Amiga tradition.

As solution doesn`t have to be any of the mentioned apps and games. Office would be great, any productivity is most welcome. Hoolywood is great example.
And a game would be nice demonstration of X1000 abilities

Surely, it would be nice if it wouldn`t be most of the work on one or few companies and individuals, but seems that for more OS userbase has to increase.

OS is really getting stable and yes updates are likely to be smaller but more frequent, which is good.

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@Arko

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Arko wrote: And after the OS update they will have to work on the bug fixes (~2 years) and than there will be another hardware port and than another update and than other fixes ... that was the routine of the last 10 years I don't see a reason why it will become better.

For 8 of those 10 years the OS and software responsibility belonged to your
friends over at what is now (known) as Amiga Inc.

@KimmoK
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Has anyone talked with Haage&partner about their Amiga SW?

I would like to. If anybody knows current email addresses for H&P please PM and/or email me. Thanks!

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you can contact them through their website, I guess:
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@ssolie

I don't think hyperion have the time or resources to take on this projects, I love to see some stuff updated and bug fixed and made native PowerPC.

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@Cool_amigaN

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Cool_amigaN wrote: @KimmoK There is no point in reviving "commercial" interest from ex-software developers, since there is no viable market or better put the (tiny) market looks already saturated. ...

One could also look at this from the opposit direction:
Bring up new, up-tp-date "killer apps" (when sufficiently powerful HW is available) and the market will start growing again...
So getting really good, old 68k Amiga apps reworked by their original authors/companies could very well make sense.

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@Mechanic

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Mechanic wrote: friends over at what is now (known) as Amiga Inc.

They where never “my friends”, and after they announced the Amiga will be a phone I quickly lost confidence. But here are a lot of people that thought they where responsible for AmigaOS4 ... well that must be the friensd of Amiga Inc.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

i rencenli send an email to scala pepole to it was to the worng firm. i hope there will port there software or maby let a 3 part do it...

i no one feal like send them an email i will agen soon i think..

@Dandy

I think you are a bit naive here....

Even IF there was an Amiga with specs similar to off the shelves PCs from MediaMarkt&Co....
Even IF these Amigas were priced like the PCs from MediaMarkt&Co....
Even IF there would be (updated) versions of ArtEffect, FinalWriter etc available for these Amigas...

That still wouldn't be a good enough incentive for enough people to buy such an Amiga to make it worthwhile for those SW-companies updateing ArtEffect, FinalWriter etc.

We are more than ONE magnitude away from being economicly viable

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I think having software released to open source would be a great idea!

I would love to see someone develop a mission pack to FA/18 Interceptor... but I know I am asking too much here

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Someone reworked 194x recently, I wonder what they could do with something like F117 Stealth, Gunship2000 and Birds of Prey.

We don't have any of the good flight sims anymore. would be nice if they could be "cleaned up" or should I say "polished" a bit.

Chris

@Dandy

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Bring up new, up-tp-date "killer apps" (when sufficiently powerful HW is available) and the market will start growing again... So getting really good, old 68k Amiga apps reworked by their original authors/companies could very well make sense.

But no company will take the risk of wasting a load of money on a market that, in all fairness, will not grow significantly. Let's say the company can sell their software for 50e per copy, and currently they might sell maybe 100 copies? That makes 5000e, which doesn't even cover the expenses of one developers for a month. And really polishing up a "killer app" takes more than one month (and most likely more than one developer)...

@Britelite,

Who said that they would do the polishing? If they can let go of the thing someone in our community could do it just like it's been done before.

You can even give credit to the original author(s) like they did with the UFO x-com type game. no reason why this could not happen and give a good feeling to the original company.

Chris

@QuikSanz

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Who said that they would do the polishing? If they can let go of the thing someone in our community could do it just like it's been done before.

Umm, I was replying to this:
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So getting really good, old 68k Amiga apps reworked by their original authors/companies could very well make sense.

Trying to get companies to release their old titles as freeware or even release them as open source could actually work. But expecting them to actually do any kind of additional work on these titles is just not realistic.

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