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OlafS25 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:45:09
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there are a lot of dislikes between developers of all flavors, but to work together does not mean you must be in love ... :).

there was no real interest from different parties, but now we are at a important point. There will be no reunification, but at least we could create a common amiga-world to the outside. all flavors combined means support of 68k, PowerPC, ARM, X86. What OS can offer something comparable. But when a software company they look at it and see that all is split in small communities and the company must invest a lot of money to support all flavors. When a company wants to offer a driver, f.e. for a printer, they have to create a couple of drivers. Instead they will support the biggest platform or none. So when we want to grow, we need cooperation (not confrontation)

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
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The one common standard they all have is they each want to be backwards compatible with Amiga 68k apps so I suppose a developer could always try and produce their program for classic machines that way it will work on them all.

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
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Just thinking actually because Aros is open source could not both the MorphOS and AmigaOS team port drives and features of Aros into their OS so that they could run Aros programs natively or though some kind of wine type implantation so that then the common standard could be Aros.

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MorphOS is the true spiritual successor to the Amiga etc


This is what I don't get. The PlayStation was also called the spirtitual successor to the Amiga. But these are computers:=technology; they don't have spirits! What are these people trying to embellish?

It doesn't matter how smart our Amigas are or how much they can act like Data. Whatever OS is on the machine, no type of Amiga will ever be alive. Thay cannot be Nephesh life. They have no DNA.

Sorry evyerone just wanted to point that out. That term was bugging me somewhat ever since I saw the first PS1 reference years ago.

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hope you feel better now

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
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@thread

imo this is a chance to join forces between aros/os4/mos.
people don't give a dang what hardware is in their computers nowadays they only care about what it runs and how fast it runs. to be honest tho ppc will not rival a quad core intel or amd processor. i will not say x86 because the new processors are evenly split x86/x64 and as such really are not the same as the intel x86 processors everyone hates.

unless something magical happens these processors will follow the same path as ppc and die out because we are so close to the limit of current tech. the next processor leap needs to come soon(but i digress.)

amigaos (my term for all 3 os flavors) has to make the jump to survive or else admit defeat and die out. since aros has already done most of the hard work in conversion the cooperation of the big 3 can minimize the costs associated with conversion while at the same time ensure they have a platform to build on. each company/group can have their distinctive features but build off a similar base. this will allow users to choose the os they feel comfortable with with the majority of programs and apps runnable on all 3 flavors. authors can also program for a particular system as well if he/she wishes or they can disable features that rely on a particular"distro" of amigaos


this is a win/win for all involved aros gets additional development, hyperion and mos devs get easy ports while still putting their custom coding in place. it is my hope that all parties realize the opportunity that is in front of them and also take advantage of this as well.

to hyperion and mos devs it is time to put aside differences. it is time to progress. without progress we die and if we die nobody will profit.

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
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@jkirk

I don’t believe in any grand scale cooperation between any of the groups.

MorphOS and AmigaOS4.1 is close source operating systems.

They have different kernels and low level implementations.
AROS is open source OS.

Hyperion and MorphOS team will never open source there operating systems, AROS has nothing to gain from cooperating.

Hyperion and MorphOS team and cannot use AROS source code, as they might run in some open source license restriction that forces them to open source components.

And the second they open source MorphOS or AmigaOS4, they can no longer make money on licenses, no more full time developers / contractors working on the OS.

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Hyperion and MorphOS team and cannot use AROS source code, as they might run in some open source license restriction that forces them to open source components.


They can. Have you ever read the AROS Public License?

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@OlafS25

Yes thanks.

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OlafS25 
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as far as i know uses MOS already sources from Aros, so i do not think that really would a problem. I only think of certain parts that are of common interest, f.e. drivers and parts that are important for software-developers (f.e. a common minimum MUI-Standard)

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Yes, MOS uses AROS sources and contributed sources back to AROS.

AmigaOS has been using AROS components as far back as 3.5. (Colorwheel, among other things)

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SFS for MorphOS is not compatible whit SFS for AmigaOS4.1 for example


The whole story about SFS for OS4 (which came years after MorphOS port) is not pretty at all. If you want details, ask. :)

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
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@OlafS25

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USB and PCI exists on all platforms and you need drivers to use the devices.

Due to the differences between all those flavours, the drivers are bound to be differing. Try a USB device driver from one flavour into another flavour and you'll see what I mean. Just because there ARE flavours means there is a difference in API.

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If OS4 is really leaving all roots behind, why are they claiming to be amiga (of some kind).

Call it 'progress', perhaps?

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And even if it would be possible to agree on some standards (if there is a will)

This would mean bending API's to a common denominator. The very nature of the flavours prohibits this.

OldFart

EDIT: Even in the Unix realm, in all its splendour of different flavours, which will bleak the Amiga's in comparison, with all its might, glory and resources, this has proven virtually unfeasable.

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then the market will decide and all flavors that are too small to be supported will be out of race. A company or developer always decides for the biggest platform where he can sell most (very simple). So all are betting that this will be their own platform. We will see how this will go on.

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A company or developer always decides for the biggest platform where he can sell most (very simple).

Which is Windows...

On a serious note, in the Amiga part of the universe, things *MIGHT* prove to be a bit different, as we're not talking about a commercially high-profile product, with all respect, but we're talking about a product driven by and for enthousiasts.

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Posted on 10-May-2011 17:16:57
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@Channel_Z

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Channel_Z wrote:
Yes, MOS uses AROS sources and contributed sources back to AROS.


That may be but AROS does not have MUI4, and many things MorphOS has, I believe the cooperation between AROS and MorphOS developers are over hyped.

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part III
Posted on 10-May-2011 17:30:01
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@OlafS25

If there is going to be cooperation its going to be on existing open source projects most likely applications, and we are seeing lots of this.

OWB, MPlayer, Basilisk II

There are some examples of individual idealists

WookieChat is a close source multi-platform application.

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@OldFart

but i am in contact with developers (companies) that were active in the amiga market some time ago and are now supporting none of the existing platforms. For those numbers (sales) counts, nothing else

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There is no market even if you combine the 3 operating system in to 1 market its going to be too small.

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