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Poll : What do you think?
Plain simple paranoid BS
Interesting reading, still BS
Largely BS as Nibiru isn't nearby at this point
I'm open minded, could be true... But I'm sceptical
I think there's much truth in this
I'm convinced Nibiru/Planet X is looming nearby
Interesting gotta do some research
 
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Re: [Poll] Nibiru: What if?
Posted on 10-Apr-2011 7:28:00
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@MikeB

What has that got to to with Niburu (the videos)? That is a classical UFO which has been seen since the dawn of mankind. Why one would connect it to Niburu is beyond me. One might as well connect it to evidence for the existence of Santa Claus.

By the way, why call it Niburu? How dull. If it is going to be the doom of all us why not name it to something more catchy? No, those Niburu fanatics should have been in contact with a PR agency before they started their silly campaign.

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If Nibiru is nearby this is probably it, the big fireball with the 5 distinguishable radiant orbs aligned as a cross:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHjw02CX60s

From a Sumerian pictogram, the cross is Nibiru:



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http://iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080/IswaSystemWebApp/StreamArgumentServlet?cygnetInstanceId=172173343&argumentId=1



http://beforeitsnews.com/ckfinder/userfiles/0000000000005416/images/20110407_1248_c2_512(1).jpg

About these massive solar flares (with link to NASA).

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/544/960/Sun_Expels_Monster_Fireball_400X_Bigger_than_Jupiter:_Expected_to_Hit_Earth_April_10_11.html

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@Lou
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I think this explains it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7wpEIGU0I

Interesting video. It makes its point exactly as clearly and accurately as the predictions for the end of the world due to planetary alignment on 5th May, 2000.
I especially liked the commentary at 09:26
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If you need silver, we're the ones to look at. We can sell it to you every month at $50 per month

I remember looking at the bearded star that was Hale-Bopp back in 1997, trying to ignore some doom&gloom nutjob telling me that the world was about to end. For some of the doom&gloom beleivers, it did.
I have been threatened with hellfire and brimstone too many times to be scared any more.
You keep asserting that this is a brown dwarf, but where is your evidence? What makes you any more right than "Heavens Gate"?

If your "Evidence is Sitchins translations then please note the following facts

Sitchin has zero academic credibility as a translator of ancient texts
Sitchin predicted 2003 as the arrival of nibiru
Sitchin jumped on the December 2012 Mayan calendar bandwagon, and the faithful will probably return to this when the earth fails to be destroyed as a result of a near miss flyby of a comet.


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@Nimrod

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Sitchin predicted 2003 as the arrival of nibiru


Don't make things up. Sitchin provided no timing other than that once in about every 3600 years such an event takes place according to the Sumerians.

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Sitchin has zero academic credibility as a translator of ancient texts


In your opinion. Sitchin performed a more literal translation of events. Just like some want to look at Plato's telling of Atlantis as something fictitious while other Greek philosophers treated it as historical fact. However Atlantis suddenly sinking doesn't fit many people's believes.

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@thread

I think this thread has moved away from anything "General Technology" and more and more into "Free For All". Hence I will move this thread into Free For All in about an hour.

Regards,
Joachim Birging

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@MikeB
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In your opinion. Sitchin performed a more literal translation of events

Please note the use of the term "academic credibility". I will include a quote from Michael Heiser From sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm
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Again, Mr. Sitchin’s supporters could claim some sort of Christian or Jewish conspiracy to obscure the construction of a rocket ship. If so, then the Sumerians themselves started the cover-up (leaving only Mr. Sitchin correct). Here’s their version, from Enuma Elish (Tablet VI: lines 59-64): The Anunnaki set to with hoes (Unusual tools for rocket-building!) One full year they made its bricks (A rocket made of bricks! Sounds like a building to me) They raised up Esagila, the counterpart to Apsu, They built the high ziggurat of counterpart Apsu (A ziggurat, not a shem or shumu) For Anu-Enlil-Ea they founded his dwelling. So, in the very story Mr. Sitchin uses to create a parallel between Sumer and the Old Testament, the Anunnaki are clearly constructing a tower made of bricks – not a spaceship.

Micheal Heiser Ph.D. is an academic. He quotes his sources so that his work and conclusions can be cross referenced and checked. Let me put it another way. Today we have spacecraft. The space shuttle is a spacecraft. The Empire State Building in New York is not. It isn't rocket science you know.

@Lou
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So scientists say they don't know...yet the scientists on AW.net seem to be geniuses...


OK you convinced me. Actually this video convinced me.
Problem is this video is from 2008, and is exactly the same as all of the more recent videos, so my message to nibiru can only be

"GET A MOVE ON!"

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@Nimrod

Considering Mr Sitchin isn't amongst us anymore. Here more info about his backgrounds:
http://www.crystalinks.com/sitchin.html

One thing is for sure, regarding performing translations of ancient text having a good feeling for the language and culture is more important than a Ph.D. regarding Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages. Did Plato have a Ph.D., would he have been smarter with an extra piece of paper?

Heiser is more a bible junky. Sitchin was really all about the Sumerian.

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@MikeB
From your own link.
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Sitchin's speculations have been ridiculed by professional scientists, historians, and archaeologists, who note many problems with his translations of ancient texts and categorize his work as pseudohistory and pseudoscience. Similarly to earlier authors such as Immanuel Velikovsky and Erich von Daniken, Sitchin advocated theories in which extraterrestrial events supposedly played a significant role in ancient human history.


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One thing is for sure, regarding performing translations of ancient text having a good feeling for the language and culture is more important than a Ph.D. regarding Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages.

If you required major surgery would you hand me a scalpel and say "cut" secure in the knowledge that my good feeling towards blood and gore is more important than a specialists surgical qualifications and experience

Since the material being translated is the source material for bible stories it would be difficult for Heiser to avoid biblical references, and appearing to be a bible junkie. Sitchin was really all about the book sales.

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@Nimrod

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If you required major surgery would you hand me a scalpel and say "cut"


Only if you have much experience with this. If you have done this a thousand times before I will pick you over someone who just got his Ph.D.

His Azeri background will certainly have helped with understanding expressions and culture. Learning at a young age a very different language can be very helpful as a translator.

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@MikeB

Where I was born this was the local script and language a mere fifteen hundred years ago . Does the fact that I am descended from these people help my understanding of their culture, or give me some special insight to "prove" that they built rocket ships?

I can prove that they built rocket ships because they flew them all away and now neither they or their rocket ships can be found.

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@Nimrod

Funny how this all about some (mis)translated scriblings and the SSE-logo (*) but the 500 pound gorialla is still avoided:

a) is Nibiru a brown dwarf (doesn't work for that 2 sun stuff) or a star that produces it's own light ?

b) if it's a burning star it would be clearly visible all around it's orbit even if it spans a lightyear or more. If it's a brown dwarf it would still be easiely found with 100s of stationary telescopes and millions of hobbiest telescopes (these are good enough to spot such objects up to several lightyears away).

And no not even the CIA/NSA/Illuminati could silence all those.

Objects that CAN be missed by telescopes are by definition far to small to have any impact on earth (unless that make full impact that is ). Objects that are big enough to have an impact in a mere flybay are so big that their approach would be noticed months in advance.

* Summerian Stuffed Eagle, the KFC of that time, very yummy (and you can't proove that this translation is wrong )

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@thread

Sorry for being late, an unexpected guest appeared here. Moved thread to free-for-all.

Please continue.

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@Kronos
Disproving the Nibiru conspiracy theory is like nailing fog to the wall.
The theory has several threads, and as soon as you unravel one the debate shifts from translations to two suns to ooparts and then back round again.

Your 500 pound gorilla becomes an elephant in the room when you realise that the "second sun" has been there for at least 3 years without disturbing the orbit of any other planet.

Now that the Sumerian eagle is well and truly stuffed, can I have chips (fries) with mine?

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@MikeB

As if Nimrod's video was not enough, I've made a photo last night that clearly shows Nibiru is coming right from behind the Moon (moreover, the smart ass is in the same phase as the Moon ;) ). You can see it clearly here (sorry for poor quality, I've made it with my cell phone).

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For anyone interested more background info here:
http://www.planetxvideo.com/

For now I am going to leave this thread be.

Researching human history is one of my hobbies (amongst many others). Last year I went to Kashan, Iran to do research on the earliest evidence of human civilization. I visited many ruins of long past glory and humble beginnings, early beginnings of religion such as fire temples and Ka'ba-ye Zartosh.

I hope you found this thread interesting.

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@Nimrod

Quote:

Nimrod wrote:

I especially liked the commentary at 09:26
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If you need silver, we're the ones to look at. We can sell it to you every month at $50 per month


I thought that was odd too until I looked deeper and found colloidal silver.

Also actual silver is hoarded by survivalists since it can always be transferred back to currency.

Interestingly in the 70's or early 80's the Mayan calendat ended Dec 24, 2011 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtMnsLDQATU

...hmmm...

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@MikeB

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I hope you found this thread interesting.
Imaginary ideas of what dead civilizations really knew is always a good topic.

I just wonder as a physical therapist do you recommend kool-aid and white-blue Nike?

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BrianK wrote:
@MikeB

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I hope you found this thread interesting.
Imaginary ideas of what dead civilizations really knew is always a good topic.

I just wonder as a physical therapist do you recommend kool-aid and white-blue Nike?

Next you'll tell me flying saucers don't exist...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110411/od_yblog_upshot/ufos-in-fbis-vault

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@Lou

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Interestingly in the 70's or early 80's the Mayan calendat ended Dec 24, 2011


Actually, it 'ends' on the 20th of December 2012. There are, however, actually several 'Mayan Calendars' to consider, although only three of them are actually relevant here.

First, there is a 260 day long calendar called Tzolk'in, which was used for religious ceremonies and is divided into 20 weeks of 13 days.

Second, there is the 365 day long calendar called Haab', which was used for planting crops.

Then there is the Long Count calendar, which isn't actually much use for anything day-to-day but allows you to record historical time. It actually allows you to record time to any magnitude you like, but that's not important right now.

What is important is that the Maya numbered a day based on its position in both the Haab' and the Tzolk'in calendars. As a result the Maya could only record dates for 18,980 days (about 52 years), because after this, the Haab' and the Tzolk'in started again at Day One Haab', Day One Tzolk'in. This wouldn't have been much of a problem day-to-day, so it is this system that was used for deciding on what day it was, when to perform mundane tasks and so on.

However, this wasn't enough days for the Maya to record historical time, so they created the Long Count, which simply counts the number of days since the creation as described by Maya mythology on August 11, 3114 BCE, in Mayan units of time. Our weeks, months and years are of no relevance, they used days, but their weeks were 13 days long and were grouped into 'months' of 20 weeks. This is also expressed in base twenty, except for the fifth digit, which is numbered 1 - 13 for no immediately obvious reasons. The reader may note a fondness for the numbers 20 and 13 among the ancient Maya.

The 'end' in 2012 is simply the calendar ticking over one of these 'Great Cycles'. The 20th of December 2012 will be 12.19.19.17.19 and the 21st will be 13.0.0.0.0 - the completion of one cycle. The ancient Maya would express this as 1.13.0.0.0.0 following 0.12.19.19.17.19, something as unremarkable as Monday following Sunday or the 1st of January following the 31st of December. And anyway, we've got a whole Great Cycle left before the '13.19.19.17.19' ticks over to '1.0.0.0.0' again.

The Maya themselves recorded predictions for astronomical events, such as eclipses, that would occur after December 21st 2012, so they clearly believed that someone would still be around to check. They also had a unit of time (The 'alautun'. Compare the 'tun', which was a unit describing 360 days) which corresponds to about 63 million years, or 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 on the Long Count, used for these long-range astronomical predictions and a few other mostly religious purposes.


In short, nothing more remarkable than when the Julian Calendar 'ticked over' from 999 to 1000, or when our modern Gregorian Calendar went from 1999 to 2000. Although, as I recall both of those were accompanied by a number of predictions of the end of the world as well.

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