@ikir

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ikir wrote: @Hans Let me know if i can help you in any way. At least these issue happens on my Sam440ep with hyperion quake 3 or ioquake. I had then on my A1, same way, but i can't test now since i've sold it. As far i've read on forums the problem is still here, but i would glad to be proven wrong

Try OpenArena (download from here). If there are no lockup issues, then the problem is most likely in the ioquake/quake3 binaries, since OpenArena is supposed to just be a content pack.

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What do you think of these results under OS4? we're going to add A1, Sam flex bench soon.

It's not surprising. There was an AOS 4 vs MOS benchmark comparison a while back on a Peg-II, and MOS beat AOS 4 in all 3D benchmarks (which was most of the benchmarks that were tested).

Hans

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@Hans

Downloading OpenArena for OS4 + OpenArena files from official website.

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Thanks for this benchmark.

Bigfoot shows last year a new 3D driver with his Mac mini + Quake 3. The speed was about 90 fps at 800x600. So MorphOS could catch up Mac OS X for this test.

@ikir

Don't remember what did You answer in the old thread - have You incresed the stack size? I've discovered that Quake ignores my Workbench settings and starts with low value of sth about 40kb. It caused a lot of crashes, especialy in menus. Once I changed this valu (via icon) to 2.000 kb it's very stable.

PS. Unfortunatelly, on my SamFelx 800 (+R7500) I get seroius slowdowns with sound turned on...

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@Radov

Hi Radov! I have increased stack size but not so much, i will try soon, thanks mate!!



@Hans

No crash all night with bot killing eachother.... i try to stay in menus for a while, then i try again with Quake 3 and bigger stack.

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@Radov

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Radov wrote: @ikir Don't remember what did You answer in the old thread - have You incresed the stack size? I've discovered that Quake ignores my Workbench settings and starts with low value of sth about 40kb. It caused a lot of crashes, especialy in menus. Once I changed this valu (via icon) to 2.000 kb it's very stable. PS. Unfortunatelly, on my SamFelx 800 (+R7500) I get seroius slowdowns with sound turned on...

If too small a stack is confirmed to be the problem, then we should ask Mr Capehill to add a stack cookie to the ioquake and quake3 binaries.

Hans

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@Hans

I tryed with archive which you point here, and with all original files and patches (everything as mentioned on capehill's page), and , on peg2/radeon9250/aos41u1, i have that freezes too. I was pretty surprised (in bad way) because i think that all these 3d freezes are in past with my solded a1200 :)

They happenes really randomly and only with quake3. One time it freezes just after 5 mins. Other time it freezes after 20 minuts. In other times i have no freezes ..

I can help with debug if it's need it for, but, all in all, i think that our warp3d realisation buggy and slow, and better do new realisation of 3d , which imho will solve all the freezes problems (imho).

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@Hans & Radov

Open Arena didn't freezed yet in menus, but Quake3 with more than 2.500.000 stack... freezed in menu after few mins. Maybe it doens't happen in games lol i must try. Quake 3 menu has always been high risk of freeze

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Seems like Quake isn't "Amiga-optimized"... Or there are a lot of bottlenecks in it.

Thought this was a lot faster than MacOSX ;)

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Open Arena seems ok, no freezes yet... different story with Quake 3.

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@radov

Quake 3 with high stacks seems quite stable, it is running since 2 hours already. But the menu is still dangerous! Try yourself, load the game and don't do nothing, after a while your Sam will freeze completely.

EDIT: after about 3 hours QUake 3 freezed again in game.

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@Hans

It has one, unless stackcookiemonster ate it!

static char __attribute__((used)) stackcookie[] = "$STACK:2000000";

int main(int argc, char **argv)

@Hans

It's a known issue that Q3 freezes in menu. In W3D_DrawElements.

@Leo

Here, i get substancially slower results on OSX with regular Quake3 and 10.4. So I guess 10.5 really improved GL performance a lot (almost twice as fast as what i get with 10.4).

@Mr_Capehill

Hi! Thansk for your ports! Why don't you create a new website for your projects? Need help?
I've tried your Quake 2 executable but didn't worked for me :-/ It says vidplay failed.

So it is a known bug in W3D? Also the games freeze after a lot of playing (many hours).

@Fab

As you said, try with ioquake probably you get better result. Leopard OpenGL is better than Tiger, and Snow Leopard has OpenGL3.0 since 10.6.3.

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@ikir

If Q2 prints vidplay error to shell window, ignore it. I never ported vidplay tool. Q2 should work, try SnoopDos or some other tool.

Well, at least Q3 menu freeze is known to me and I have reported it to the Friedens in 2008. I guess they don't have time to debug Warp3D. And it's difficult to chase because it's seemingly random, it will freeze in 3 seconds or 3 minutes but when you run a W3D driver in debug mode the performance drops < 1 FPS so it will take a lot longer to reproduce this issue and the game is of course unplayable when debugging.

With a luck, the ingame freeze happens due to the same bug and could be fixed at once.

@Mr_Capehill

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Mr_Capehill wrote: @Hans It has one, unless stackcookiemonster ate it! static char __attribute__((used)) stackcookie[] = "$STACK:2000000"; int main(int argc, char **argv)

I just looked at the MiniGL demos, and the stack cookie there is:

[code]static USED const char *stack = "$STACK:65535";[/code]

I don't know if the const specifier is needed for the OS to find it, but it should be const anyway.

Hans

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@Mr_Capehill

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Mr_Capehill wrote: @Hans It's a known issue that Q3 freezes in menu. In W3D_DrawElements.

Any idea why? Which GL operations are used in the menus?

Hans

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@Hans

MiniGL is drawing triangles (compiled vertex arrays). Unfortunately I don't remember any details, it's been a while :(

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Here, i get substancially slower results on OSX with regular Quake3 and 10.4. So I guess 10.5 really improved GL performance a lot (almost twice as fast as what i get with 10.4).

Slower than MorphOS ?

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