Italian page but... benchmarks are easy to understand!

As we know OS4 3D is pretty lame right now. I will add A1 benchs. Many thanks to user divina who did the original thread on AmigaNews.it forum.

http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13847
I was linking wrong thread ehm...

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Interesting. OSX is in some cases 2x as fast as MorphOS on the Mac Mini.

And will the X1000 catch up...with MorphOS/OSX ?

@bennymee

MOS and OS4 can't compete with OS X naturally, but MOS has better drivers. OS4 should try to catch up with MOS in 3D, then we could try to get simiiar OS X results.

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@bennymee
What is needed is a native Mesa port to OS4 (at that point rest assured that even an R700 equipped Sam would catch up with those framerates, let alone an X1000).

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DAX wrote: @bennymee What is needed is a native Mesa port to OS4....

has this been started already? i *think* i read about that here on amigaworld.net some month/years ago where rogue(?) wrote that some work already had been done. but i might be wrong.

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@ikir

I'm talking about the 3D-drivers offcourse, not the architecture.

@DAX

According to the Wiki of Mesa, the r100-r600 chipset is supported for now.

@MichaelMerkel
I know Hans (who's making the Radeon HD drivers for OS4) is counting on that port, maybe he can enlighten us more

@Bennymee
indeed, but by the time an AmigaOS version would be ready I wouldn't be surprised to see R700 support already in place

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bennymee wrote: @ikir I'm talking about the 3D-drivers offcourse, not the architecture.

Me too , our divers can't compete right now but at least we could catch up with MOS ones.

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Me too , our divers can't compete right now but at least we could catch up with MOS ones.

I hope it can compete on the same hardware and not on a machine which is (much) faster. so the drivers should get better. But new MOS3D promise to be ~2x as fast as the current ones. We'll see.

@bennymee

That OSX/MorphOS comparison is unfortunately wrong, because the tester didn't test Quake3 on OSX, but IOQuake3, which gives about 40% better results on OSX than the original Quake3 (see the 168 vs 128fps figure on OSX).
So no, OSX isn't twice as fast with 3D drivers.

interesting indeed. MacMini does not seem much faster than peg2 in Quake.


other than that...
It would be nice to get more information what is going on with AOS4 development.
We have waited long for 3D Hardware acceleration, JAVA, USB2 full speed, OpenCL, etc. It would be nice to know when we might get those. Half a year accuracy is very ok, IMHO.
This year?

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Fab wrote: @bennymee That OSX/MorphOS comparison is unfortunately wrong, because the tester didn't test Quake3 on OSX, but IOQuake3, which gives about 40% better results on OSX than the original Quake3 (see the 168 vs 128fps figure on OSX). So no, OSX isn't twice as fast with 3D drivers.

Nope we are using ioquake on all platform MOS, OS4, OS X.

An a little info: ioquake and original quake3 keep freezing the machine on OS4, totally random. Same thing in A1. There was a thread here too, it seem a common problem with all hardware config. It is just random you can play 2 hours or 2 minutes before the freeze. It happens also on menu.

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There's no IOQuake3 port for MorphOS (would just be a matter of recompiling it with original q3 diffs, but still). In IOQuake3 doc, JIT is told to be quite faster in IOQuake3 than Quake3, which might partially explain that 40% difference between original Quake3 and IOQuake3 on OSX.

@KimmoK

A mac mini is about twice as fast as a peg2 when using correct settings, too (76 vs 40fps)

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Uh? You're right! Do you know if someone is porting it? Anyway MOS version seems already pretty fast imho.

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Ups i linked an old thread, the new one is here:

http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13847

My error

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@KimmoK Quote:

We have waited long for 3D Hardware acceleration, JAVA, USB2 full speed, OpenCL, etc. It would be nice to know when we might get those. Half a year accuracy is very ok, IMHO.

USB2 is already implemented, but is still being debugged. So I guess "under half a year"

I don't believe work on Java has started yet, going by the last comments Rogue made about it. Based upon that I'd guess several years away, although would love to be wrong. I don't really see the need for Java though, since I've basically never used it on Windows at all.

3D H/w acceleration, no idea, but I think it must be quite high up their list of priorities (although probably below SMP, since OS4's current 3D works, it's just not super-fast).

OpenCL, no idea. I've never read anything about it from OS4 devs, only seen speculation/wishes from others, so I'm not even sure it is planned (nor do I see the point in it - SMP would be much more useful, and *that* has been mentioned by the devs).


Probably we'll get an updated "roadmap" when the X1000 is released. (Bearing in mind Hyperion don't like being too specific when things aren't started yet.)

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ikir wrote: An a little info: ioquake and original quake3 keep freezing the machine on OS4, totally random. Same thing in A1. There was a thread here too, it seem a common problem with all hardware config. It is just random you can play 2 hours or 2 minutes before the freeze. It happens also on menu.

I'm rather disappointed to hear this, as I thought that the freezes had been solved over a year ago. I used open arena (which uses the Quake3 engine) for tracking down bugs for a while back then, and I only had occasional freezes earlier on. By the time I was done, there were no more disappearing walls, and I don't remember having any more freezes. For sure, I could play over an hour without incident.

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DAX wrote: @MichaelMerkel I know Hans (who's making the Radeon HD drivers for OS4) is counting on that port, maybe he can enlighten us more

Sorry, I can't say much about a MESA port. I'm currently working on R600+ 2D acceleration, and when the 2D drivers are finally ready, I plan to look at 3D support. It would be nice if a basic MESA port with the Gallium backend enabled were done by then, so that I could get going.

Hans

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Hans wrote: @ikir Quote: ikir wrote: An a little info: ioquake and original quake3 keep freezing the machine on OS4, totally random. Same thing in A1. There was a thread here too, it seem a common problem with all hardware config. It is just random you can play 2 hours or 2 minutes before the freeze. It happens also on menu. I'm rather disappointed to hear this, as I thought that the freezes had been solved over a year ago. I used open arena (which uses the Quake3 engine) for tracking down bugs for a while back then, and I only had occasional freezes earlier on. By the time I was done, there were no more disappearing walls, and I don't remember having any more freezes. For sure, I could play over an hour without incident. Hans

Let me know if i can help you in any way. At least these issue happens on my Sam440ep with hyperion quake 3 or ioquake. I had them on my A1 too, same way, but i can't test now since i've sold it. As far i've read on forums the problem is still here, but i would glad to be proven wrong

What do you think of these results under OS4? we're going to add A1, Sam flex bench soon.

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