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@Dandy

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Dandy wrote: @Tomas Quote: Tomas wrote: Our government now is thinking about doubling the gasoline price in name of ####ing CO2. ... At long last! Hopefully you will now learn to economise petrol. In the past the US wasted petrol - and when they ran short of it, they bought out the crude oil market in Rotterdam. With the consequence that our gasoline prices rose. So we Europeans had to pay for the US way of wasting energy... EDIT: Typo corrected...

We already have among the world highest gasoline prices. People here need cars as there is loads of people living outside city areas and have to drive hour(s) just to get to work. How should these people get to their jobs if there is no public transport which is usually the case? The little public transport we have is already maxed out. All our good are transported from one side of the country to the other as well and further increase in gasoline taxes would lead to even higher prices for goods and food, especially in non central areas. Even our railroad system is worst in Europe and cannot even handle the traffic it has today! If they are serious about getting people to drive less then they should just fuc*ing build out the public transport. We have the worst road infrastructure in europe, we have the highest car taxes in the world, the highest road taxes in the world, highest gasoline taxes and most road toll stations. Norwegians are already taxed to hell and this will only impact the average and poor income families.

I guess you think cars should only be for the rich elite?? We also have one of the oldest and most polluting car parks thanks to our high car taxes. Lowering car taxes would actually decrease the pollution and make the roads a safer place to drive on.
People here dont drive for the sake of it like most americans do.

Edit: Or do you assume i am from US?? I live in Norway which have already the highest taxes on gasoline. A double of the price would push the price over 3 euros per liter of gasoline.

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@Tomas

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Edit: Or do you assume i am from US??

I didn't.

Sound like Norway has some unique issues to work out. Where does all that tax money go then?

Plaz

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Plaz wrote: @Tomas Quote: Edit: Or do you assume i am from US?? I didn't. Sound like Norway has some unique issues to work out. Where does all that tax money go then? Plaz

Not on roads or the environment. Believe it or not, but they actually use the road taxes, gasoline taxes and such to get the budget for other stuff like health care, schools and such. Usually we have to pay twice if they actually build a new road stretch while government only pays for the costs for running the road toll stations. The government has actually openly admitted that they have become dependent on those tax incomes to pay those other budgets.

A few years ago they added even higher taxes on cars with larger engines while they lowered taxes slightly on cars with smaller engines. This lead to people buying less cars which lowered the income from car taxes and now they are actually raising taxes on smaller cars to compensate.

This is what you get with extreme left socialists running a country.

These are the kind of roads we pay for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMD1KW4WTGM
Goods and food are daily transported on such ####ty roads from one city to another.
Experts believe that nearly 50% of road deaths could have been avoided if we had a road standard similar to Sweden.

Edit: It is not just roads or railroads either.. This kind of lack of maintance and upgrades can be seen even in other infrastructure like our water supply network. The water pipes here can be as old as 100 years old and there has been outbreaks of diseases due to breach of water pipes that lay next to leaking sewage pipes of similar age. The whole country is basically falling apart due to greed and lack of long term investments.

In 70s and 80s they built for example a bunch of new schools which are now falling apart due to no lack of maintance and some of these are in so bad shape that they have to be torn down due to fungus, rot due to water damage and so on.

The oil money are not to be touched.. they should all be saved for future generations while our infrastructure is falling apart. It is funny how even the poorest countries in europe manage to invest more in their infrastructure than the country that likes to brag about being one of the richest.

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@Tomas

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Tomas wrote: @Dandy Quote: Dandy wrote: @Tomas At long last! Hopefully you will now learn to economise petrol. In the past the US wasted petrol - and when they ran short of it, they bought out the crude oil market in Rotterdam. With the consequence that our gasoline prices rose. So we Europeans had to pay for the US way of wasting energy... EDIT: Typo corrected... We already have among the world highest gasoline prices. People here need cars as there is loads of people living outside city areas and have to drive hour(s) just to get to work. How should these people get to their jobs if there is no public transport which is usually the case? The little public transport we have is already maxed out. All our good are transported from one side of the country to the other as well and further increase in gasoline taxes would lead to even higher prices for goods and food, especially in non central areas. Even our railroad system is worst in Europe and cannot even handle the traffic it has today! If they are serious about getting people to drive less then they should just fuc*ing build out the public transport. We have the worst road infrastructure in europe, we have the highest car taxes in the world, the highest road taxes in the world, highest gasoline taxes and most road toll stations. Norwegians are already taxed to hell and this will only impact the average and poor income families. I guess you think cars should only be for the rich elite?? We also have one of the oldest and most polluting car parks thanks to our high car taxes. Lowering car taxes would actually decrease the pollution and make the roads a safer place to drive on. People here dont drive for the sake of it like most americans do. Edit: Or do you assume i am from US?? I live in Norway which have already the highest taxes on gasoline. A double of the price would push the price over 3 euros per liter of gasoline.

I just lost a lengthy reply which took me 3 hours to type.
When I hit the "Submit" button, the system told me I was no longer logged in.

So the most important in short:
Yes - I was under the impression you were US-based.
And you (the majority of your countries electors - not you personally) should elect a government next time that is more rational in this regard.

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@Tomas

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Experts believe that nearly 50% of road deaths could have been avoided if we had a road standard similar to Sweden.

And here they say the roads are a shame due to lack of maintenance

And regarding railways, well, some here claim Sweden and Albania are the countries with oldest railway due to lack of maintenance.

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@tomazkid
Both our roads and railroad have worse standard than albania. We have for example less than 300km motorways in all of the country. Nearly all of those we have is located right outside Oslo.
The average speed between the biggest cities in norway is less than 60km/h if you follow the speed limits.

Swedes use more money on roads in just months than we use in a whole year.
The current budget we have here now is not even enough to keep at the current standard.

Our railroads are still mostly 1 track with century old infrastructure, signal system that is 50 years old, cables that are up to 80 years old and so on. We have some really tragic accidents due to signal system failing and showing green when it should be red. We also often have near accidents that could have turned tragic as well and yet nothing is done. They have been promising to do something before every damn election, but it always turns out to be empty words.

If you think you swedes had problems this winter with trains being cancelled then you should have seen the chaos here this winter.

@Dandy
I feel for you.. Always sucks to have the post deleted after spending so much time writing it.

But anyways.. There are sadly so few parties that i agree with. The right wing wants to fix up our infrastructure, but they are also a bit to extreme in other areas. Our election system is pretty much a joke anyways. The right wing parties actually got the majority of the votes last election, but the left side still won because we now have a system where votes are not counted equally. A vote from a person in a city counts many times less than a vote from a farmer living in middle of nowhere.

Farmers here are for example subsides heavily by government and we also have import taxes to protect them from competition. The righ wing wants to lower the import taxes and also lower or remove the subsides, so these people will of course vote left no matter what. Same thing is the case with people who work in the oversized state bureaucracy.. The votes are in my opinion basically bought by subsides.

@Dandy

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I just lost a lengthy reply which took me 3 hours to type.

That has happened for me too, no fun at all.

lesson learned, goes for other forums as well, for a very long posts, do the post in a text editor and when done, paste it into the forum.

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@Tomas

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If you think you swedes had problems this winter with trains being cancelled then you should have seen the chaos here this winter.

I avoided the chaos by taking the bus instead, at least the those were able to go with the time table most of the time.

Even Finland had train problems, and the Finnish railway is often taken as an example here, that it is possible to get the trains going on time during Winter.

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Did the Institute of Physics really get the backing of their members to call out the CRU hack and the IPCC? According to the Guardian the IoP didn't survey their members. It was a small staff that approved the statement.

Since the statements many IoP scientists have come out saying they disagree and they knew nothing of the statement. In addition 'The IOP has already been forced to issue a clarification that the evidence does not undermine the scientific basis for climate change'

What is happening with the IOP... It appears they haven't been transparent about their statements and even their science. Evan Harris, a member of the science and technology select committee, said: "Members of the Institute of Physics … may be concerned that the IOP is not as transparent as those it wishes to criticise."

Seems that the IOP board may be guilty of the 'crimes' of which they accuse others.

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The new 'global warming' scandal? WattsGate Anthony Watts has claimed that dropouts of weather stations have created an artificial global warming. Others have looked at the data and shown Watts to be wrong and wrong again
The anti-global warmers have declared lack of data and code to be a problem in climate science. Watts, noteable anti-GW, didn't provide code or data to his claim. None-the-less the other 3 sites do provide theirs. I've tried 2 out of the three and it works to the degree that they match the provided graphs. So if you want to generate these yourselves have at it.

(On a personal note adding 'gate' to everything that might be a scandal is stupid. Though in this case I see it more as absurbist humor applied to the situation.)

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@BrianK
Going to be interesting to see if watts will respond to this.

@Tomas

But you know that if one wants farmers in the future in norway you have to have subsides. Norway can't compete with other countries who can do farming all year round. That's not possible here. Due to winter. That one i can see. But car policy is quite f**ked.

And it doesn't matter who is giuding the ship in this country. They all agree on the car policy.

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Farmers here are for example subsides heavily by government and we also have import taxes to protect them from competition. The righ wing wants to lower the import taxes and also lower or remove the subsides, so these people will of course vote left no matter what. Same thing is the case with people who work in the oversized state bureaucracy.. The votes are in my opinion basically bought by subsides.

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@Tomas

Ouch, I didn't know things in Norway were in such a state. I guess I expected it to be similar to Sweden.

I would try to prepare if possible for next winter. I expect more of the same if not worse.


P.S. Maybe Norway needs to build narrower trucks. :P


Plaz

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Global warming is obviously true because conservatives are arguing against it. There is nothing more disgusting in life than a a conservative retard. Lets find a way to pile them up into a big hole and cover dirt upon them.

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@koft

I think You've got some thing there. Clearly the solution is to bury the entire human race. The warming would obviously stop then. Matter of fact the planet would probably just ice over. How about we test the theory first. Bury a few hundred million and see how it goes? We'll let you pick.

Plaz

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tomazkid wrote: @Dandy Quote: I just lost a lengthy reply which took me 3 hours to type. That has happened for me too, no fun at all. lesson learned, goes for other forums as well, for a very long posts, do the post in a text editor and when done, paste it into the forum.

In the past (3-4 ears ago) this happened frequently.
I changed my habit of posting to copy the text and store it in an editor before hitting the "Submit" button.

But then things changed and I could stay logged in all day. I could type a posting in the morning and hit the "Submit" button in the afternoon - and it worked without loosing anything.

So I changed my posting habits again and stopped saving my texts in an editor again.

I guess I'd better sticked to it...

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New search engine that claims every search will save a few square meters of the rainforest:


http://ecosia.org/.

interesting idea, remains to be seen if it really works.

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@koft,

LMAO, no, you have it backwards. The Liberals lips are moving so it must be a lie to take more of our money and put us back in the stone age. Of course they ill not have abide by it so they can be the Elite.

Haha, see, it goes both ways. Doh

Chris