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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: The second Dark Times
Posted on 1-Aug-2007 22:00:26
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OS4 on Zaurus handhelds etc as well as nostalgia based merchandise.


The problem is Amiga Inc, they will now allow it, I wish AmigaOS4 can be ported to Sam440, EFIKA, EP440C or EP440xC some how, I need new hardware if my AmigaOne-XE can not be repaired,

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Re: The second Dark Times
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If you're so sure...there are still people buying 'classic' Amiga hardware on ebay for over £450 a go. I know that's probably from a collector's point of view, but still... nostalgia is a powerful thing (emotion) to build upon. Momentum... (I've heard that somewhere before haha).

You need a strong foothold before you can make any moves. As a hobby OS though, it will always be fun... and that's all that counts at the end of the day. It's just what everyone else is missing out on

It's too frustrating to keep talking about it haha. One of those things...

Computing has turned mundane, as has society. Technology is advancing and you can't even 'feel it'.

Steve

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Re: The second Dark Times
Posted on 1-Aug-2007 22:05:54
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Not donating. Buying. A proper product. Around 2000 bought A1s in their various incarnations, around 1,000 bought Pegasos. Many more bought Amithlon or Amiga Forever.

The many thousands of people who sign up to Runescape, World of Warcraft, Credit Expert, Porn channels etc show that a monthly subscription can be a workable model.

Or, release 6 monthly updates at £25 a pop.

If a useable product were out there, I think many would be surprised at how many could be sold. Maintaining that over a number of years is of course another matter entirely.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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Indeed. That's the sad part. Without the $X million needed to buy out Kouri and friends, there is a viable (hobbyist) business waiting to be tapped.

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Re: The second Dark Times
Posted on 1-Aug-2007 22:12:43
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@yoodoo2

I totally agree...

If done right, there's mucho potential...but this is Amiga we're talking about.

If Bill and co had done things right when they said they would, then maybe we'd have that foothold...but, it's a little late now, in many respects.

As for a hobbyist OS/market though, of course there's a chance if something was done about it properly. There are thousands of ex-Amiga owners that still feel so fondly about the machines they used to own... we all know PC owners do not feel the same way, and that's what they are now...missing something that once meant something to them, and that's exactly what the original Amiga vision set out to do.

It's all frustrating beyond words as per usual.

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Re: The second Dark Times
Posted on 1-Aug-2007 22:30:29
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An average Amiga product sells 80-120 copies, 150 if it is huge success.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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An average Amiga product sells 80-120 copies, 150 if it is huge success.

And 83.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Guys, if you want to spew out numbers at each other at least attempt to back it up with something.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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@itix

There are bout 500 registered member on Amigas.net most of this are AmigaOne owners, most of the AmigaOne owners did but DvPlayer, that around 400-300 copies.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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@ssolie

Figures are not made up. If you dont believe it I cant help you. I can only say get in touch with interesting people and ask. I can not give quotes because numbers are confidential.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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@itix

That's presumably software running on Amiga OS, not the OS itself.

There would probably need to be a staggered range of products. A full featured desktop for us "hard-core" would be £50 on a limited range of hardware; a cut-down OS with a bundle of old-school games might only pull in £5-£10 per unit once other costs were factored in. Hardware companies like Genesi, A-Cube and anyone else interested would pay for hardware specific drivers to add value to their products.

Of course there are fewer people wanting to pay out for Amiga OS. However, I remain optimistic that an available product would generate a reasonable amount of sales. Possibly more than it might have 5 years ago: a lot more of us are older with a bit of disposable income for hobbies.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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@itix
The problem with quoting sales figures for applications is that they are almost by definition a small subsection of the installed user base.

Big applications (eg Hollywood, PageStream, Audio Evolution) are aimed at a minority of users and relatively expensive for a hobby OS with little means of sharing files across platforms in an easy and transparent manner.

Games, again are very much a matter of taste and therefore not universally bought.

I (admittedly optimistically) reckon that 5000 users would support a small OS team. To support any form of meaningful market for application developers, we'd proabably need 50,000. However, not all application developers are in it for the money...

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Re: The second Dark Times
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@itix

MorphOS software or AmigaOS4 software?

But does not prove any thing: because there has not been any real hardware for sale, in a long time.

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Re: The second Dark Times
Posted on 1-Aug-2007 23:30:59
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Around 2000 bought A1s in their various incarnations,


Uhm, according to Evert Carton's testimony, Hyperion has shipped "more or less 1000" copies of OS4 (see docket 54 in current lawsuit, page 3). As the A1 is pretty much useless without OS4, I suspect your estimate is high by a factor of 2.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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There are bout 500 registered member on Amigas.ne


And less than half of them even bother to log in in any given month.... less than 2/3 log in in any given three-month period.

And yet you estimate that 2/3 of Amigans.net resgistered users bought DvPlayer? Why? Even if all members on amigans.net actually were A1 owners (they are not), and every member was enough of a fan to log in every week (less than 1/3 in reality), why would you expect a market penetration of 66% for a product which may play your DVDs on your computer, badly, after you install some potentially legally questionable libraries, for the price of a cheap stand-alone DVD player? Or is it a product that plays digital video streams, just like mplayer, only not for free?

I am not putting down dvplayer here. I am just pointing out why expecting 2/3 of A1 owners to fork over US$28 for it is entirely unrealistic.

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Re: The second Dark Times
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You have one error in your brainstorming. To sell 5000 copies of operating system software you must also sell 5000 units of hardware dongles, aka computers. Each year.

If you meant only updates you are out of luck, still. First there is a piracy issue. Second not everyone is willing to update. Third userbase is not large enough. To get there you must run company at loss few years first.

More you think about it more obvious it becomes that you must get rid of the HW dongle.

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Posted on 2-Aug-2007 0:11:23
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Amiga software in general. OS updates and (availability of new) hardware winds up sales but it lasts only month or two. The software didnt sell very well even 7 years ago when HP was still around.

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Re: The second Dark Times
Posted on 2-Aug-2007 9:22:43
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@umisef

Well, Hyperion's accounting isn't wonderfully accurate. Plus, Carton is probably not including developers, EarlyBirds etc who didn't get the full packaged deal without forking out a little extra. Plus many A1s have changed hands, demonstrating additional demand (although some people have more than 1 machine).

I'm willing to split the difference and call it 1500

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Posted on 2-Aug-2007 9:26:21
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@itix

I couldn't agree more. Hence the "range of products" mentioned above. I believe there should be a "basic" OS version that covers a wide range of hardware platforms, with additional features paid for by those wanting to bundle the OS with hardware designed for those of us who want to use something a little different.

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yoodoo2:
Where the hell did you get the 1000 Pegasos
figure from?!

The total sales of Pegasos are strictly con-
fidential -- even I don't know them..

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@ironfist

A random number generator.

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